Not like infighting is the most productive thing in politics but if they don't start calling out each other for prioritizing special interests over common hardships then nobody will believe a word of what they say. They need a wake-up call in the primaries because they learn jack shit from general election losses.
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They need a wake-up call in the primaries
They need to have reliable, honest primaries in order for that to happen.
You guys are getting primaries?
But seriously I would settle on them infighting about actually issues and that's not even the case. They are a side show at this point.
They need a wake-up call in the primaries
They need to have primaries to make them honest. Refusing to primary the person who everyone now acknowledges was senile and shouldnt be in office gave us Trump. Installing a person that has NEVER one a single electoral vote as his replacement gave us Trump.
The Democrats appear to be incapable of course correction at this point. Constantly in fighting doesn't help anything. They need to get back to the basics and make sure people can afford food. Afford homes. Afford medical coverage.
Once they have made it so people aren't worried about the basics then they can get into the weeds of social issues and whatever else they want to do.
Time will tell if they actually make any changes by 2028 election season, but if their recent behavior is anything to go off of I doubt we will see them learning anything that will help them by then.
I voted for Harris, and Biden, and Clinton with my nose held, after phone banking for Sanders in two primaries.
If they don't abandon neoliberalism next cycle whole cloth then The Fascists can rule the ashes, I'm done.
This nation CAN ONLY DECLINE so long as there is no major party defending the needs of the people from the murderous capitalists.
Not that there's going to be another free election anyway. That's the Neoliberals fault as much as the Fascists for institutionalizing their respective bribe gravy trains and making them their only priorities.
We can have metastasizing capital markets, oligarchy, and murder for profit, or a democratic republic. Not both. And only the former until the planet physically puts us in our place and ends civilization for our hubris, which we deserve.
I still feel like - 2016, 2020, 2024 - if bernie had been on the ticket he would have destroyed trump.
dems would rather lose than win with an 'outsider' who makes their own people look feckless and owned.
They need to get back to the basics and make sure people can afford food. Afford homes. Afford medical coverage.
The problem here is that they have run on these things before and didn't follow through. They no longer have credibility on any of these issues. Their greatest accomplishments on any of these are now 15 years in the past.
Once they have made it so people aren’t worried about the basics then they can get into the weeds of social issues and whatever else they want to do.
They are not interested in making it so that people aren't worried about the basics. And they already started caving on social issues because caving is what Democrats do. They ran Republican anti-trans hate in their own ads. They adopted Republican border policy, only to watch Republicans sprint even further to the right. Do you suppose they're ever going to go back to their previous position?
I mean who knows what's going to happen in the future. It's fairly predictable, but who knows when something is gonna come along and throw a wrench in the plans.
All it takes is another civi war. Or a world war. Or a global economic collapse. Then who knows what's going to happen in American politics let alone global politics.
What if Trump actually does make everything affordable and our economy is booming again? Democrats would never recover from that. I don't think that's what he's going to do but we don't know until it happens.
He could drive this country into the ground and leave it wide open for Democrats to sweep in 2028 so they can fix the hole he dug. Again we just won't know until it happens.
I'm choosing to remain optimistic that Trump won't completely fuck everything into oblivion and that the Democrats can actually come back in 2028 with a real candidate that people can rally behind again like they did with Obama. I hope they can somehow stop pulling the ship in different directions and all get on board like the Republicans do.
Only time will tell.
I’m choosing to remain optimistic that Trump won’t completely fuck everything into oblivion and that the Democrats can actually come back in 2028 with a real candidate that people can rally behind again like they did with Obama. I hope they can somehow stop pulling the ship in different directions and all get on board like the Republicans do.
Same, if only because doomerism helps nothing.
Though tbh, I think you're on to something. Right now, the shock and awe / flurry of EOs appears to be working, but eventually the opponent adapts. So much of an autocrat's power rests in compliance, and I'd like to believe that many won't. The inspectors generals' appear to be remaining at their posts for now.
I mean who knows what’s going to happen in the future. It’s fairly predictable, but who knows when something is gonna come along and throw a wrench in the plans.
Agreed. Best laid plans and all that. Did anyone in 2016 really think that we'd have a global pandemic in 2020? Did anyone in 2004 really think that there would be a global recession in 2008 and that America would elect a black president? Did anyone think that crime in the US would have a miraculous downturn at the end of the 1990s? Or that the bombings during the civil unrest of the 1960s and 1970s would end (from that article, In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972 the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.) ?
Anyway, the point is, things could get way worse, but they could also get much better. It's hard to know what will happen. Maybe Socialist (Or Soc-Dem) Jesus will come down from the heavens and save us all. Probably not, but maybe!
Anything to deflect how stupid it was to sit out the election. Eat shit morons you get what you deserve
Any House or Senate Democrat over the age of 55 should quit. I'm tired of the trickle down effect they keep pushing. I rather lose the mid-terms to more republicans to finally kill off the centrist demcrats.
The first part, fine. Everyone should be involved with 2026 primaries to help change the Democratic party. Between now and then is our chance. But if the past week alone doesn't convince you that the GOP and Trump must have checks to their agenda ASAP regardless of how much progress is made till the mid-term, I don't know what to tell you.
The reason Trump won twice was bc of how the democrats run shit. People keep saying they want change.
Look at Obama's slogans when he ran. "Yes We Can", "Change We Need.", "Hope", and "Middle Class First".
Hillary - "Hillary For America" and Harris -"We are not going back." fall into the pre-Trump republican slogans. They created Trump and got him elected twice.
Harris could have ran on Universal healthcare or improving the middle class. What did she do instead? I'm not Trump and I have a glock. Look at my friend McCain. See, I'm one of you.
The older dems care about wall street. They are Libertarians, at best. Centrist to republicans at worse. I want a dem to pull trump shit in the opposite direction.
Look at my friend McCain. See, I’m one of you.
Point of fact, her friends were Liz and Dick Cheney. Which I guess centrists were happy about. Dick Cheney is everything they want to be.
You're not going to change a party that's operating as designed. Voters scream at Biden for months to stop the genocide, his response, what genocide. Voters screened at Harris for months to stop the genocide, her response 'Im speaking.'
They don't give a fuck what you have to say.
Everyone should be involved with 2026 primaries to help change the Democratic party
This assumes that party leadership doesn't decide that they like eschewing primaries altogether.
There goes Palestine.
Thanks both sides ppl
There goes Palestine.
Centrists were willing to lose rather than abandon Netanyahu. The only time the shit wing of the party didn't buckle to pressure, and it was to make sure a genocidal apartheid regime kept getting everything they wanted to commit genocide.
You got what you wanted. Stop gloating.
Democrats literally would have lost harder if they'd listened to you. We never should have taken part in the theft of Palestine. Never should have sided with the occupiers. But the fact is, regardless of right or wrong, or the morality of it. The American public overwhelmingly supports Israel. As disgusting as that is
Democrats lack of vocal well laid out economic plan for the average person is what lost them the election ultimately. Bluemaga screechers like yourself only managed to alienate yourself and weaken your position. But hey, at least you have your smug, empty, false morality and sense of superiority to soothe yourself with. As the genocide accelerates and expands, coming home. Mission accomplished friend, right?
We never should have taken part in the theft of Palestine. Never should have sided with the occupiers. But the fact is, regardless of right or wrong, or the morality of it. The American public overwhelmingly supports Israel. As disgusting as that is
I very much doubt that you find it disgusting at all, considering you've spent the past year vocally supporting it.
Democrats lack of vocal well laid out economic plan for the average person is what lost them the election ultimately.
Please tell this to everyone who blames people who opposed genocide for Democrats' loss, then. And remember. Since we were so insignificant that opposition to genocide was treated with withering contempt and overt hatred by lemmy's centrists, we are also too insignificant to blame. Enjoy trump's implementation of centrism's only actual policy.
I very much doubt that you find it disgusting at all, considering you've spent the past year vocally supporting it.
Then quit your cringe yapping and quote a single clear instance. Because I will be able to quote five that say the opposite. I've said those exact words multiple times over the last year. Stop being a baseless divisive whiner and provide the receipts.
Please tell this to everyone who blames people who opposed genocide for Democrats' loss
They know that's the problem. You are also the problem though. There can be more than one problem. And people like yourself are absolutely part of it.
They know that’s the problem.
Then they're just screaming at the left because they hate them and not genocide.
Or, just bare with me here. Admit that you contributed to the problem. That you are committed to actually making change. Helping people, and not baselessly attacking people who would be your allies. Something I'm trying to do better with as well. It's not just you.
Fascism is here. It was delayable or possibly avoidable. But there are clear undeniable parallels to late 1920s German. They're already targeting minorities. And we need to get our shit together and work together to protect them. Whether they are Hispanic trans or otherwise.
Admit that you contributed to the problem.
Opposition to genocide is only a "problem" to those who support it.
That you are committed to actually making change.
Change as in getting the Democratic party to move to the left? Or change as in meek servility to the Democratic Party's pro-genocide wing no matter what they do?
Helping people, and not baselessly attacking people who would be your allies.
After this last election cycle, I have given up forever on the laughable concept of Democrats ever being the allies of the left.
They’re already targeting minorities
They? Democrats ran anti-trans hate in their own ads. Democrats adopted Republican border policy. Democrats supported genocide. Democrats voted with Republicans on their anti-trans defense bill. Democrats already preemptively decided that bigotry was going to have bipartisan support.
And we need to get our shit together and work together to protect them. Whether they are Hispanic trans or otherwise.
Someone has to. It will never be Democrats.
Opposition to genocide is only a "problem" to those who support it.
You mean a Harris voter with empty rhetoric like yourself? A genocide supporter like yourself? No one has a problem with opposition to genocide. People have a problem with you being a hypocrite.
Change as in getting the Democratic party to move to the left? Or change as in meek servility to the Democratic Party's pro-genocide wing no matter what they do?
You choose the latter while faking the former.
I tried to talk to you like an adult. I apologize, it was clearly a mistake. You're just a childish hypocrite.