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I've come to two realizations recently:

One

The sudden tankie willingness to believe that Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza, and got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time, sheds some interesting light on how the tankies think. They accuse anyone who disagrees with them of shifting their realities around, such that anything Biden does is good, anything the State Department says is always true, even if it contradicts itself or basic common sense or reality. I always thought that this was just a lazy reality-free arguing tactic, but in retrospect, I should have realized that it's a tell about their own thought process. Just like it's a warning sign if someone constantly suspects their partner of cheating, or is constantly on an absurdly hypervigilant lookout for scams and people trying to cheat them out of money, this is a key revelation about the way Hexbear itself looks at reality.

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.

Two

Hexbear's censorship, and wild hostility to anyone who comes to "their" place and tries not to toe the party line, really does do a pretty effective job of distorting the view of reality and consensus that their users are able to experience.

Take a look at these and compare:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36382877

https://hexbear.net/post/4354590

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[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Tankies= Republicans

That's all you gotta say. They love the orange fucker.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

To build off that, I was going to say it is easier for them to understand authoritarianism than liberalism. They more closely relate to using power to enforce will rather than consensus and damned the consequences.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Eh, I think that only applies to Hexbear. The ml instances seem to hate anything US (or western, for that matter) without picking sides.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 1 week ago

They sure love to criticize the "west" but god forbid China or Russia gets called out for their savagery

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Not in my experience, but ml seems less obviously pro trump at least.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I have been calling this out since my first interactions with those instances. They are heavily infested with right wing trolls making "leftist" noises. And the ones who aren't actually trolls are either so blinded by their disdain for liberalism, or just too young to notice.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. I'm genuinely curious how many of them are right wing trolls, how many are useful idiots, how many are normal trolls, how many are subject to mental illness and will sincerely believe anything and yell it at everyone else because of brain chemicals, how many are some other category, just what are the details of the real demographics there. I wish there was a way to know.

And how many of them are people sitting in offices in third world countries being paid to diseminate pro-russia/china propaganda on social media.

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (14 children)

They're brainwashed and also fascists. They don't stand for communism at all and never had.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While yes, that is a thing. This is however literally a community meant to discuss this sort of thing.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is my contribution to any discussion about Hexbear or Hexbear communities.

I'm a reasonable man and I'm willing to talk to anybody. But Hexbear and the communities it harbors are simply unbearable to me. I have no other instances and no other communities blocked.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something I generally support as well. Though I'm lucky enough to not be Federated with 2/3 of the problem locally. It's just kind of out of place in a community like this is all.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm just fascinated by it though. I'm curious about human behavior, and I think the ways that people get themselves worked into a non-reality view of the world in a big community that all agrees about it is a highly relevant topic for the modern world.

I won't pretend to understand what's going on over there completely, but I'm interested enough in it that I want to be able to observe it. From a distance.

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[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

That's the only instance I have blocked.

Just so much spam all over the all scroll..

It got old really quick.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

Fascists gonna fash.

Cmon. If you haven't already blocked hexbear you are just part of the problem. 90% 4chan garbage. You won't miss it.

[–] TransSynthesist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I tried to block them but they dont show up in the list, so I assume the instance that I belong to already took care of it?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Blahaj and Hexbear had a falling out over Hexbear accusing Blahaj users of tolerating 'chasers'.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

There will always be people who believe absurd things. I just leave them the fuck alone, and hope they’ll grant me the same courtesy.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Some people are doomed to repeat the same mistake they are brainwashed to make over and over: picking a side in every scenario.

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