Oh look at that, exactly what literally every sane person predicted would happen is happening.
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Yep all those idiot protest voters getting exactly what trump said he would do.
Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.
Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.
That’s why politics for ordinary people needs to go way beyond voting.
At least with the blue team they're less likely to bend to protests...red team will just send the boots to step directly on you.
I would be curious to see the numbers but I don't think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn't help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.
If they did, then all the neolibs were wrong that voters don't care about Palestine...
Which logically means the party needs to move to the left at least enough so that genocide isn't acceptable.
Instead, they act like fucking trump supporters and brag that a genocide is still happening.
There's zero logic or empathy with them, which is why some people call them "blue maga".
They're the ones that didn't stop watching CNN even after the new buyers blatantly and publicly said their goal was to become the fox news if he left.
You are aware that people can hold two beliefs at once, right?
- Democrats are not doing enough and were actively allowing a genocide under their watch.
- Inside our current system, the most powerful act a citizen can perform is voting.
So, not voting and encouraging others not to vote because "blue MAGA" is actively helping the people who are currently enacting genocide+.
Inside our current system, the most powerful act a citizen can perform is voting.
That "inside" is doing increasingly heavy lifting these days. Seems to me that increasingly the only successful change comes from working outside the system.
Yes, it is possible to be extremely ignorant of the effectiveness of various political actions.
Whether you are for or against voting, claiming it’s the most powerful act a citizen can perform is completely absurd. I don’t know a single informed person of any ideology who thinks this.
Phrasing matters. There is a reason I put "Inside the system".
Well many folks stayed home, and there's no number for that (by intention...staying home is staying home) so it would be hard to quantify.
But apathy in the face of a trump second term is worth discussing, given what was common knowledge about him by then
Yo can do some demographic analysis on it and that points to: white suburban men didn't shou up to vote.
That's true but you can't attribute exactly why, which was my point.
You can make some correlations about identifying key issues to a given group, but you can't guarantee their absence wasn't just due to either not being able to vote due to work or some other legitimate limitation on their ability, or just being a shitty lazy citizen, or protest absence
I think the 2024 election cycle failure falls almost exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrats.
Yeah Trump and his bullshit obviously played a part in where we ended up, but I genuinely believe that it more so came down to how the Democrats handled things in the years leading up to and during the election. I know people want to shift blame and point fingers. You could even make the argument that I'm doing that right now, but the data says otherwise.
It's not like Trump is some generally beloved figure that was already super popular. No he's highly controversial. Many old school Republicans and conservatives despise the guy.
So how does someone that nobody on the left likes and significant chunks on the right also aren't a fan of end up in the office again?
At some point the democratic party need to actually reflect on where they went wrong instead of just pointing fingers and trying to shift blame.
At the end of the day it's the job of the party to earn the votes of the people. They clearly didn't earn enough votes.
Blue lost ground to red in every single state. That type of thing doesn't just happen outta nowhere.
I think the 2024 election cycle failure falls almost exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrats.
You make some valid points, certainly. But what people are failing to recognize is none of that matters now.
We had one day, or one vote to stop this tidal wave of evil and we did not do it. Did the DNC fail to appear on a sports talk show, or drive a garbage truck around? Did they not mobilize a nationwide caucus to choose the best candidate from every single human alive today with just four months to go? Yeah, i guess, whatever - it doesn’t matter.
People who refused to stop trump because of Palestine helped ensure that situation would get 100x worse. And they were complete ignorant assholes about it. Dog forbid they learn anything from this.
I acknowledge that the Dems MUST change. That's super true.
But based on real historical information about trump, plus his clear intentions for this term, I would have elected an incontinent Chihuahua over trump. At least the Chihuahua would have just shit on the floor of the oval office rather than trashing minority/immigrant rights, climate/science progress, and health research and vaccine implementation all in the first week.
So if there's criticism of dems, which is valid, there's a seeming lack of acknowledgement of the risks trump poses, which are in great excess to anything DEM status quo
So if there's criticism of dems, which is valid, there's a seeming lack of acknowledgement of the risks trump poses, which are in great excess to anything DEM status quo
The inescapable conclusion is that, despite their rhetoric, the Democratic Party did not actually see Trump as a risk to the status quo -- at least not the status quo they actually care about (their donors' plutocratic gravy train), as opposed to the status quo they claim to care about (egalitarianism/civil rights).
In other words, "the Dems MUST change" is a huge understatement. It also has zero chance of happening -- other than doubling down on the "we must court the mythological Enlightened Centrist and move right" change for the worse -- under the current party leadership.
Pro-Palestine protest votes didn't cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump's victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.
And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.
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In general, let’s gently redirect anger away from protest voters.
First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College. Harris would have likely won Michigan, but that seems to be the extent of what would have happened if all protest votes had flipped to blue. (Please feel free to correct me with evidence if this is inaccurate.)
Second, you’re directing your frustration at the wrong group. The Democratic Party ran a campaign that was basically center right and fostered mass apathy at the polls. That’s the real issue. You can continue to direct anger at non-voters, but all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.
Nah, they get lumped right in with the people that stayed home. They knew they were throwing their vote away because they knew there was zero chance of their party winning the election.
The real issue is that all the protest voters and protest non voters enabled this guy, on purpose, and they know it:
Kilmeade then asked Trump: “Are you on-board with the way the [Israel Defense Force] is taking the fight to Gaza?”
“You’ve got to finish the problem,” he said.
i’m super excited to see this same strategy with no changes fail a second time XD
Yes, keep blaming the voters and not the democratic party and candidate who repeatedly refused to give them a reason to vote for them. Blaming the voters will definitely win us the next election.
refused to give them a reason to vote for them
If stopping fascism isn't enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that's a you problem and not a them problem.
If stopping fascism isn’t enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that’s a you problem and not a them problem
If stopping fascism wasn't enough of a reason for Biden and Kamala to stop supporting a genocide...
Maybe they weren't the right candidates?
I don't get why so many people think voters always have to adapt their values to an existing politician, rather than getting a politician who agrees with voters....
Like, how fucking evil would someone have to be to risk trump taking over America rather than not supporting a genocide?
Take Biden and Kamala's name off it, and just how the fuck can someone say that hypothetical person would be a good president?
definitely win us the next election.
How quaint, you think there's going to be a next free and fair election at this point.
What do you mean "next"?
America has never had free and fair elections.
As evidenced by the cases of Bush v. Gore, Wilding et. al. v. DNC Services d/b/a DNC and Deborah “Debbie” Wasserman Schultz, and the lack of a viable anti-genocide candidate during last year's election.
Wow if only there were something the candidate could have done to attract those voters. Guess we'll never know.
Hey Kamala, just say Genocide bad ... just once, you don't even need to action it, we all know politicians lie as easily as breath. Just once and you make history.
The walking special K ad throwing salutes is the result of protest votes not the continuing genocide. Palestine would burn under either administration.
Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, that should tell you ALL you needed to know
Yet Biden continued to put Israel over America...
And Kamala pledged to be the same as Biden.
So why aren't you blaming them for continuing to support a genocide even though literally every poll said it was going to get trump elected?
Well many did, but acknowledged a trump presidency would be worse.
At worst, on the topic of Israel it was a net equal position. Time will tell if trump is even worse than Biden on Israel. (I personally expect so, as Biden wanted status quo, trump wants American invested condos in gaza once it's "cleared out")
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Maybe, maybe not, but either way now we have a situation where anyone who's not a white+male+cis+het+christian just got a big target painted on them in no small part due to those protest votes and the push to have democrats stay home.
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happy Stein cicada noises
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