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[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 48 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"We are all like a family here.. so nobody asks questions and just do as they’re told or else they go to the naughty corner!"

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 27 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Abusive Families are Families too...

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Dad is an alcoholic. Mum is psychologically tormenting everyone. Older half brother really wants to fuck.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Just don't go in the room alone with your uncle!

Heard a similar thing too many times

[–] PauloPelle@lemmy.world 47 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How tf is asking what hours I'll be working, if not listed in the application, not important? Can't work if I don't know when I'll actually be working.

[–] PauloPelle@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

In fact looking again why are they even having to ask them questions? Most of these seem like things that should be on the listing anyway.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

parking is often not clear in larger cities where you'd have to pay for a spot in a garage. they may have spots, or you could be shelling out $200 a month like I had to.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Paying to go to work is wild

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 hours ago

Everyone does that. You aren't paid for gas, bus passes, the food you use to bike. Every single person pays to go to work.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Even in medium cities it can be unclear, just lower priced. I paid 34/month to park in a lot they owned.

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald's with a good mgmt team, than a small company with hiring expectations like this. I also refuse to shop at your business if you see your employees this way.

  1. Employers; answer the damn questions, then move on, what's important to you isn't going to matter to your job candidate, what's important to them is earning an honest days pay that will cover their expenses, and their responsibilities, like making sure to fulfill their requirements to their previous employer which is something you want them to do for you when they leave.
  2. If you can't pay enough that YOU could cover rent and a car payment off the pay, then you shouldn't be hiring, and if you can't treat your employees, and job candidates with respect, then you deserve to be a job candidate yourself instead of a business owner.
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald's...

Oh you sweet summer child...

As someone who spent too many years in fast food the bosses there are extremely toxic, largely due to the fact that it is one of the easiest places to find some nieve replacement for the person who doesn't want to be on call 24/7 and work unpaid overtime.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They did say with competent management, which may be a fictional state.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Statistically there's got to be one well managed McDonald's somewhere in the world.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 370 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How fucking dare that applicant ask what hours they will be working.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 86 points 1 day ago (1 children)

or if they will get insurance through work.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I feel like the answer to some of these questions would/should be answered in either the job application or the job offer. I get not wanting to wait for the job offer, but a company not offering that info is a red flag imo. Personally, I'd ask before signing the official offer, and not at the job interview. I'd also probably go for more general questions.

"What does a typical work day look like?"

"What is the overall compensation package?" Though this one can be a bit taboo

[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

why the heck would someone want to waste time with an interview process if they don't know the most basic expectations and compensation? no, i don't think you should have to wait for an official offer to learn things like hours and benefits.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago

Based on the OP, they didn't have the answers to these questions when they accepted the interview. These should be presented by the business along with the job offer, or they'll come along with the job offer.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 hours ago

"What is the overall compensation package?"

This should be discussed as part of salary expectations. In fact talking about the overall compensation is a recommendation to avoid giving a specific number when asked what salary range you are expecting. ("That depends on other compensation factors such as how much time off I get in a year and medical benefits coverage.")

Doing this got me an extra $1000 a year as my starting salary at my previous job when their medical benefits were not as good as what I had at the time.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago

Yes, you'd expect so, however on average you'll be applying to 100 jobs per 1 interview, and if you get an interview with a company that doesn't list it, it's another 100 applications before one rolls around, might as well take the interview and ask.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 140 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And trying to get a feel for the workplace culture‽ Absolutely outrageous!!!

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 152 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One reason why finding a job is such a hassle. So many employers just want to interview people to hit a quota of "candidates reviewed" without taking any given candidate seriously.

You get a bunch of false positives in the search and waste time going through the motions with people who aren't actually in charge of anything.

Straight out of college I had an eight hour interview process once, for an IT job that paid $25k starting. Round after round of quizes and queries that ate up my whole day.

Then I got picked up by a boutique medical IT firm a few weeks later after two calls and a 30 minute walk in, for nearly twice the salary. When I got the rejection letter from the first people six months later all I could do was laugh.

[–] Sciaphobia@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago

I had a place tell me I wasn't selected almost exactly a year after I had spoken with them. I set a timer for as long as they had waited to send me that, and replied to it myself a year later.

Probably no one saw it or understood, but it made me chuckle.

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[–] v3ritas@infosec.pub 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On any jobs interviews i do, i always ask if the applicant has questions because they are interviewing us as much as we are them.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago

Yup. It's an interview. Not a viewing.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 144 points 1 day ago

"These ARE the important questions, though based on your reaction I don't believe you are the employer to value a skilled employee."

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm crazy or out of touch, but I've never asked these questions... because all of them but #6 and #7 should have been in the information given out long before I even get to the interview. Two/Five should at least be addressed by someone selling the company to you during the interview.

Six could be worded a bit better, because the interviewer is already going to have to clarify with you what pressure and laid back look like to you, and seven is probably better once the negotiation starts after the offer is begun.

[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

keep in mind, this wording is filtered through the hr fool's retelling.

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 2 points 3 hours ago

You're right. I didn't think of that, but it does completely shift the lens.

[–] jodanlime@midwest.social 8 points 7 hours ago

This is important IMO. This is not the applicant's wording. This is how the HR drone perceived these questions, not direct quotes. We actually have no idea what the applicant asked, but we do know that this person is a clown.

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm on the job hunt right now and I cannot stress enough how much I do not care what company leadership needs to tell themselves so they can sleep at night. All I need to know are the pay, the benefits, and if the job aligns with my interest

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Good thing the session was already wrapping up. I couldn’t take a candidate employer seriously after that.

I may take the job if I needed the money, but you bet your ass I’m jumping ship the moment I get another offer, and there won’t be any notice.

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