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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald's with a good mgmt team, than a small company with hiring expectations like this. I also refuse to shop at your business if you see your employees this way.

  1. Employers; answer the damn questions, then move on, what's important to you isn't going to matter to your job candidate, what's important to them is earning an honest days pay that will cover their expenses, and their responsibilities, like making sure to fulfill their requirements to their previous employer which is something you want them to do for you when they leave.
  2. If you can't pay enough that YOU could cover rent and a car payment off the pay, then you shouldn't be hiring, and if you can't treat your employees, and job candidates with respect, then you deserve to be a job candidate yourself instead of a business owner.
[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 289 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

How fucking dare that applicant ask what hours they will be working.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 58 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

or if they will get insurance through work.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 18 points 15 hours ago

I feel like the answer to some of these questions would/should be answered in either the job application or the job offer. I get not wanting to wait for the job offer, but a company not offering that info is a red flag imo. Personally, I'd ask before signing the official offer, and not at the job interview. I'd also probably go for more general questions.

"What does a typical work day look like?"

"What is the overall compensation package?" Though this one can be a bit taboo

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 117 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And trying to get a feel for the workplace culture‽ Absolutely outrageous!!!

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 28 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

the workplace culture‽

Such a loaded phrase lol

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Is the culture yogurt or Clostridium botulinum?

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 3 points 14 hours ago

Hopefully a good mix of Firmicutes and Bacteriodes.

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 24 points 14 hours ago

Maybe I'm crazy or out of touch, but I've never asked these questions... because all of them but #6 and #7 should have been in the information given out long before I even get to the interview. Two/Five should at least be addressed by someone selling the company to you during the interview.

Six could be worded a bit better, because the interviewer is already going to have to clarify with you what pressure and laid back look like to you, and seven is probably better once the negotiation starts after the offer is begun.

[–] v3ritas@infosec.pub 51 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

On any jobs interviews i do, i always ask if the applicant has questions because they are interviewing us as much as we are them.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 17 points 14 hours ago

Yup. It's an interview. Not a viewing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 121 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

One reason why finding a job is such a hassle. So many employers just want to interview people to hit a quota of "candidates reviewed" without taking any given candidate seriously.

You get a bunch of false positives in the search and waste time going through the motions with people who aren't actually in charge of anything.

Straight out of college I had an eight hour interview process once, for an IT job that paid $25k starting. Round after round of quizes and queries that ate up my whole day.

Then I got picked up by a boutique medical IT firm a few weeks later after two calls and a 30 minute walk in, for nearly twice the salary. When I got the rejection letter from the first people six months later all I could do was laugh.

[–] Sciaphobia@lemm.ee 24 points 16 hours ago

I had a place tell me I wasn't selected almost exactly a year after I had spoken with them. I set a timer for as long as they had waited to send me that, and replied to it myself a year later.

Probably no one saw it or understood, but it made me chuckle.

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 27 points 18 hours ago

My experience in engineering on both sides of the table is similar. As a hiring manager, my goal is to move as fast as possible because talented folks are going to be looking at lots of places and I need present the best option to them very quickly so I don’t lose them. I don’t fuck around with haggling or candidate pools; two, maybe three max interviews depending on the role and we’re rejecting or making the best possible offer we can. I picked this up from companies I have preferred to work at. I think massive enterprises get bogged down in their internal processes and procedures and red tape while forgetting the employee experience begins during the candidate experience. If I have to go through many rounds of interviews I can only assume working there will be miles of bureaucracy before I can do anything more than sneeze.

I am personally fine with the old onsite process where you’d go to the company and have a day or half a day of interviews with not only the team but the stakeholders as well. Post-COVID that turned into a remote onsite and slowly turned into weeks of interviews which I don’t like but is more flexible for serious candidates. When I was running those, each group had specific areas to cover so we got a good sense of the boundaries of your skills. You got to meet many people you’d work with and get a sense of how things run. Always practical, though, never any of that leetcode bullshit. Also always two way. You don’t just stare at a candidate; they need to understand you to make a good decision. And, most importantly, the scale is based on seniority/pay. I’m not going to spend more than an hour or two with a junior interview because it’s a fucking junior interview.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 125 points 20 hours ago

"These ARE the important questions, though based on your reaction I don't believe you are the employer to value a skilled employee."

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 48 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm on the job hunt right now and I cannot stress enough how much I do not care what company leadership needs to tell themselves so they can sleep at night. All I need to know are the pay, the benefits, and if the job aligns with my interest

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 51 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Good thing the session was already wrapping up. I couldn’t take a candidate employer seriously after that.

I may take the job if I needed the money, but you bet your ass I’m jumping ship the moment I get another offer, and there won’t be any notice.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 27 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Exactly what questions would this person consider "more important"?

[–] RampageDon@lemmy.world 36 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

The obvious ones duh.

Should I be referring to you as sir or master?
When I bend over should I hold my cheeks open or will you do that?
Can I lick your boots before others so I can eat more shit?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 15 points 19 hours ago

Waitaminute. Were you at my last interview?

[–] JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

None. None questions are important to somebody like that.

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[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago

"What's the career trajectory in the unit?" Which is a polite way of asking what happened to the last person. Another classic is if they are looking to sustain their current performance, make small improvements, or do an overhaul.

[–] don@lemm.ee 28 points 19 hours ago

That interviewer should be fired immediately for not being intelligent enough to recognize more important questions when asked them. Whoever let that one into the corporation should be fired as well, also with immediate effect.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 22 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

They’re important questions but lots of these are pay and benefit related. Usually I discuss that after getting an offer, and I think that’s what companies expect too.

[–] OmnislashIsACloudApp@lemmy.world 36 points 18 hours ago

eh, I'm hiring for my team right now and I have zero problem with these questions.

I tend to bring similar things up myself at the end of the interview if the candidate doesn't ask just because I don't like wasting time down the line.

we shouldn't make people jump through a bunch of hoops to see if they fit the job itself without being willing to consider that they might not want to waste time on a work environment that won't fit for them even if they could do the job.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I get it that pay is negotiable, but i would expect benefits to be based on general policy for all employees.

And in a place like the US, whether you get healthcare or not is a huge deal. If the company cannot tell you that straight away, the HR just wants to waste everyones time.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Pay and benefits should be in the job description.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who lives in one of the two or three states where pay being listed in the job posting is now a legal requirement. Yes, ideally they should be. But our state just put this into law this year. And prior to that I think there was only one other US state with the requirement.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost 1 points 2 hours ago

I’m sure the U.K. has to tell you the pay, amongst other things.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 13 hours ago

It's a step in the right direction but still isn't perfect because they'll have huge ranges of salaries which are all made up and that is not in their budget. These make it into your filters but tell you nothing because of how unrealistic it is. Like $55k - $180k. When you get to the salary, they offer $60k and tell you that you'd need to be a god to get higher.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

Nine to six? Dolly Parton is spinning in her grave

[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago

Made you look.

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