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The head of the investigation, Risto Lohi of the National Bureau of Investigation, told Reuters the vessel was threatening to cut a second power cable, Estlink1, and the BalticConnector gas pipe between Finland and Estonia at the time it was seized.
"Lohi" is Finnish for "salmon". That's right. Inspector Salmon is in charge of this investigation. Thankyou, Finland.
This Lovely Bones sequel is weird
Oh my gosh people Finland isn't even real. They're is no landmass. FIN-LAND. It's all fish! They're even rubbing our faces in it with these stupid names.
Shhh! Don't give us away!
At this point it's literally a war crime. Claim denial and accidents all they wanted before, but if the sailors are outright acknowledging it was intentional to attack civilian infrastructure, it's by definition a war crime
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949?activeTab=1949GCs-APs-and-commentaries
War crimes don't matter anymore. Russia does them, Israel does them, the US does them. There is no justice.
Does Germany do them any more? How about Ireland?
Germany has supported Israel with weapons whilst knowing they were committing a Genocide, so the answer for Germany is probably "Yes", at least as an accomplice.
The answer for the Republic Of Ireland is as far as I know "No".
Sounds to me like war crimes are still a pretty good way to determine who the good guys are, then.
Russia has been using the list of war crimes as a checklist of things to do for 3 years
Much, much longer than that. But yes, they picked up the pace again in recent years.
Nah. You have just been paying attention for three years.
They are russian flagged vessels right? What does that mean in terms of ability to do things about them?
I assume you can't legally just board/sink them, even with cause?
They are russian flagged vessels right?
No, this specific ship is registered in the Cook Islands.
As are many I believe? Like how most US companies incorporate in Delaware I think it's for tax reasons.
Yes and no delaware are for giving as little as possible back and Panama is when they want to take money from people and not give any back
It's not the same with boats just a home port thing
Edit: I thought that the gulf of Finland was narrower than it is, and this affects the relevance of my comment. See boredtortoise's reply below
Under UNCLOS at least, a country can board a ship within its territorial waters to investigate a crime "if the consequences of the crime extend to the coastal State" (and some other reasons). Sinking it is almost certainly illegal, but it's an unarmed ship and Finland has marines so I can't imagine that they'd have much trouble boarding it if they wanted to
The boat was caught on international waters without an anchor when the event happened. The Coast guard asked it kindly to move into Finnish waters where the police boarded the boat with the border guard giving a chopper ride.
No marine equivalents were actually needed which has the benefit of the apprehension not being a military action which could've easily been made escalatory in propaganda.
Ahh shit, I had just assumed that the gulf of Finland was narrow enough that it was all someone's territorial water, but it isn't. Thanks for the correction, I will edit a note into my comment
Regarding the marines thing, that was not because I thought Finland actually had used them, more an "if the crew actually did try to fight about it, Finland is quite capable of winning that fight"
Ty, I was expecting them to be russian flagged to 'dare' NATO to mess with them as an excuse to do... Something
Steal some of the oil. Replace it at correct stoichiometric ratio with ammonium nitrate or some other powerful oxidiser. Attach a detonator and tracking device to the ship. Don't tell the crew. Let the crew go free. When the ship reaches its destination, detonate. Halifax explosion, round two.
Fuck you, whoever would buy Russian oil.
You realize that a lot of Russian oil gets "laundered" and then imported to the EU? So you would likely blow up an EU port, which is like a double Christmas and birthday gift to Putin.
It would probably blow up the port doing the laundering, which is unlikely to be happening in the EU.
But it would even more likely blow up an Indian or Chinese port.
It doesn't matter. Like I said, I think this is a really bad idea. Mainly because it is collective punishment, and almost all of the thousands of victims would have had nothing to do with their corporations' and their governments' decision to buy that oil.
They also pump oil from ship to ship while at sea. It is said that this ship in particular also was involved in such maneuvers, which of course are highly dangerous and can easily result in oil spilled.
I should maybe add that I don't think this is actually a good idea. I can just see that it's scientifically possible, and I enjoy constructing scenarios like this.
But to those who are riding Putin's dick, just know that these are the things the West could do, but chooses not to. And the fuck you to all buyers of Russian oil still stands. I don't care how poor they are.
Hang the captain and first mate, take the oil, sink the ship. This is how we've always dealt with pirates.
Scrap the ship, don't sink it. We have more than enough waste on the bottom of the various oceans and seas as is.
You can responsibly strip and scuttle large vessels to help facilitate reef development
Fair enough, but that's still a form of scrapping as opposed to outright immediate sinking of the vessel. Far too often vessles are sunk, mostly intact, and that is causing countless amounts of pollution in our waterways.
You are really bad at pirate
But you have heard of me.
A Pirate can be eco-conscious without breaking Pirate ‘code’.
They use end of life ships for this shenanigans anyway. They are essentially already scrap.
Aim it at the port of St Petersburg and put it on full power. Let them deal with it
In some civilized parts of the world, we've renounced death penalty some time ago and only the far-right wants it back.
Lock them up.
I wonder if NATO is going to try and enforce a blockade where any ship travelling through the area of cables must be escorted.
I hope so. And bill the “ghost fleet” for any costs.
Pay them to sabotage the infrastructure of Russia and its allies. Plainly all this crew wants is money.