"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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WTF they MUST KNOW which ones have shitty microphones F*** they have never asked, "Was it painful to shout your order at someone who is either trying or not" and the screen that shows you what the human they paid as little as allowed by law has transcribed, is broken half the time
They just want to make an economy they don't have to pay anyone to profit from. That's why slavery became Jim Crow became migrant labor and with modernity came work visa servitude to exploit high skilled laborers.
The owners will make sure they always have concierge service with human beings as part of upgraded service, like they do now with concierge medicine. They don't personally suffer approvals for care. They profit from denying their livestock's care.
Meanwhile we, their capital battery livestock property, will be yelling at robots about refilling our prescription as they hallucinate and start singing happy birthday to us.
We could fight back, but that would require fighting the right war against the right people and not letting them distract us with subordinate culture battles against one another. Those are booby traps laid between us and them by them.
Only one man, a traitor to his own class no less, has dealt them so much as a glancing blow, while we battle one another about one of the dozens of social wedges the owners stoke through their for profit megaphones. "Women hate men! Christians hate atheists! Poor hate more poor! Terfs hate trans! Color hate color! 2nd Gen immigrants hate 1st Gen immigrants!" On and on and on and on as we ALL suffer less housing, less food, less basic needs being met. Stop it. Common enemy. Meaningful Shareholders.
And if you think your little 401k makes you a meaningful shareholder, please just go sit down and have a juice box, the situation is beyond you and you either can't or refuse to understand it.
And if you think your little 401k makes you a meaningful shareholder
"In this company we're all like family, you don't have to worry about anything."
"You want 15 an hour? A machine could do your job!"
So that was a fucking lie.
I mean I don't know how it is where you live but here taking the orders has been 99% supplanted by touch screens (without AI) So yeah, a machine can do that job.
Current AI is just going to be used to further disenfranchise citizens from reality. It's going to be used to spread propaganda and create noise so that you can't tell what is true and what is not anymore.
We already see people like Elon using it in this way.
McDonalds removes AI drive-throughs ~~after order errors~~ because they aren't generating increased profits
Schools, doctor's offices, and customer support services will continue to use them because reducing quality of service appears to have no impact on the influx in private profit-margin on revenue.
For those interested, here's the link to that news story from last June: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c722gne7qngo
Healthcare. My god they want to use it for medicine.
Machine Learning is awesome for medicine, when they run your genetic sequence and then say "we should check for this weird genetic illness that very few people have because it's likely you'll have it" that comes from Machine Learning algorithms finding patterns in the old patient data we feed it.
Machine Learning is great for finding discrepancies in big data sets, like statistics of illnesses.
Machine Learning (AI) is incapable of making good decisions based on that statistical analysis though, which is why it's still a horrible idea to totally automate medicine.
It also makes tons of mistakes and false-positives.
There's a right way to use it, and the wrong way is by using proprietary algorithms that haven't published openly and reviewed by the government and experts. And with failsafes to override the decisions made by the algorithms, in recognition that they often make terrible mistakes that disproportionately harm minorities.
Not a good argument. Applying a specific technology in a specific setting does not invalidate its use or power in other application settings. It also doesn't tell how good or bad an entire branch of technology is.
It's like saying "fuck tools", because someone tried to loosen a screw with a hammer.
Tbh if I told half the doctors and top scientists in the world to take my burger order, or flip the patty, they'd fall apart and fuck it up. It's apples and oranges
Assuming you taught them how to enter orders into the till (the AI was "trained" on how to input orders, let's compare apples to apples here) no, they wouldn't fuck it up. They would be slower than a regular employee but they wouldn't fuck up what people wanted.
Oh, and if they weren't sure for some reason they would ask somebody for help instead of making shit up.
I mean they likely would because employees regularly fuck up my order. I don't really go to fast food anymore but when I do it's almost inevitable that there's at least one minor fuck up on my order even when I try to be very very clear on my order.
I do my best to be one of those people that is clear concise and says the items exactly as they are listed on the menu but somehow I still end up with mistakes in my order pretty regularly when I do go
And do you think those people fucking up your order would do well if you put them in an education, research, or any other high-stakes position?
If given proper education and training? Yeah sure even the stupidest people you know are capable of learning at the end of the day. But most people have not the means and they are increasingly discouraged from even trying since we constantly hear about people with expensive high-end degrees ultimately just starting at the bottom like everybody else
So you don't think Doctors or Scientists could take orders correctly, but you do think the people fucking up your orders could do well as a Doctor or Scientist. I can only conclude from this that you think order taking is more complicated than Medicine or Science.
My point was everyone fucks up the orders. Regardless of knowledge. You're being asked to work at an incredible pace during rush hour and you do the same thing hundreds of times per day. Your going to default to whatever is the most common purely out of muscle memory not lack of knowledge.
Like when I ask for a quarter pounder Deluxe which is supposed to come with the tomatoes and lettuce but I end up just getting a quarter pounder even though the receipt says Deluxe. They aren't stupid it's just that 99% of the time it's just the quarter pounder and it's muscle memory they didn't even realize they fucked it up.
Science research and medical practice have some routines sure but not to the extent of fast food orders where 90% of your day is mindless repetition
Ai or someone muscle memorying a mistake my order was messed up all the same
Considering they already had the AI in place, keeping it running is less expensive than having a human do it. The fact that they have decided to do away with the AI entirely tells me it was making far more mistakes than a human does.
In other words, an AI-supported radiologist should spend exactly the same amount of time considering your X-ray, and then see if the AI agrees with their judgment, and, if not, they should take a closer look. AI should make radiology more expensive, in order to make it more accurate.
But that’s not the AI business model. AI pitchmen are explicit on this score: The purpose of AI, the source of its value, is its capacity to increase productivity, which is to say, it should allow workers to do more, which will allow their bosses to fire some of them, or get each one to do more work in the same time, or both. The entire investor case for AI is “companies will buy our products so they can do more with less.” It’s not “business customers will buy our products so their products will cost more to make, but will be of higher quality.”
AI tools like this should really be viewed as a calculator. Helpful for speeding up analysis, but you still require an expert to sign off.
You know, OpenAI published a paper in 2020 modelling how far they were from human language error rate and it correctly predicted the accuracy of GPT 4. Deepmind also published a study in 2023 with the same metrics and discovered that even with infinite training and power it would still never break 1.69% error rate.
These companies knew that their basic model was failing and that overfitying trashed their models.
Sam Altman and all these other fuckers knew, they've always known, that their LLMs would never function perfectly. They're convincing all the idiots on earth that they're selling an AGI prototype while they already know that it's a dead-end.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. LLMs are not AI. It is a natural language tool that would allow an AI to communicate with us using natural language...
What it is being used for now is just completely inappropriate. At best this makes a neat (if sometimes inaccurate) home assistant.
To be clear: LLMs are incredibly cool, powerful and useful. But they are not intelligent, which is a pretty fundamental requirement of artificial intelligence.
I think we are pretty close to AI (in a very simple sense), but marketing has just seen the fun part (natural communication with a computer) and gone "oh yeah, that's good enough. People will buy that because it looks cool". Nevermind that it's not even close to what the term "AI" implies to the average person and it's not even technically AI either so...
I don't remember where I was going with this, but capitalism has once again fucked a massive technical breakthrough by marketing it as something that it's not.
Probably preaching to the choir here though...