Probably a big chunk, thats why i left
this post was submitted on 30 Dec 2024
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Everyone's speculating so I'll put in something concrete:
About 3 months ago, r/wholesomememes mods clamped down on karma-farm bots as hard as they could...
causing no new posts to appear for two entire days.
Hey there friends! It’s only been a few days since we started cracking down on the spam bots and excessive reposts that have been plaguing r/WholesomeMemes - and now there is nothing left! --mod
That was reposts as well. Its not like anyone was wasting their life making fresh Facebook grade memes for that that cesspit.
There would be tons of downside if they revealed the bot count. Their website would probably crash and burn. I think it's well past 50% now. Well past.
Yeah posts getting easily 100K+ upvotes in hours, I’ll say over 70%
Pointless drivel too, stuff like "what's your favorite color, and why?".
foreign bad actors
Oh nice! More shitstirring. 😃👍
"Foreign bad actors" Sigh. This is propaganda framing.
The fact that reddit is astroturfed by the US government, US actors like Hillary's campaign in 2016, etc is very well known. Reddit even did an oopsie many years ago admitting that the most active reddit city was a US air force base with influence operations located there, aka psyops, aka propaganda bots.
If it has foreign "bad actors" they don't control the narrative, they don't control the main big subs, they don't have an in with the admin team, they don't run even a large minority of bots.
If these mythical creatures people like you believe in (as a result of the US policy of always accuse your enemies of what you're doing to hide it better) to pretend that the problems are all those evil foreigners do exist they exist as grains of sand caught in a mighty torrential river of US propaganda machines and influence operations. They exist hopeless. Helpless. With no friends on the admin team unlike the US propagandists, fighting a pointless fight where they are almost certainly subject to frequent, near immediate bans after mass downvotes by controlled moderators and/or mods who just are that happy to prevent any viewpoint but the US one from existing.
Even framing your question like this is a massive pushing of US propaganda. This isn't so much a question as a weaponized trojan horse that starts from the point of view of the people who control the most bots and the narrative totally on reddit.
The only thing approaching foreign, non-US "bad actor" astroturfing and botting would have to be the zionist bot effort which is admin and main subs moderation team backed and also backed by the US government by the way who doesn't care to get upset about it or raise it as an issue and demand it stop because they're supplying weapons to that genocide.
I mean the way you state it is literally the line being pushed by US government censorship proponents who are angry any foreign voices, any voices but their own are getting through.
Just because the US does it doesn't mean other countries aren't also doing it. OP said bots or foreign bad actors. Sure, a narrow scope that utilizes propaganda language, but your comment is some false dichotomy whataboutism tankie shit
For sources on foreign influence in U.S. social media, consider:
Well, he could have just said bad actors, but then the answer would be a lot higher...
Your point is fair and I didn’t mean to imply that bad actors are purely foreign. There are plenty of domestic bad actors. Please excuse the “propaganda framing”.
This was my subjective opinion based on the kinds of discussions and posts I see.
A lot of it IS foreign though. I don’t know about a majority, but it’s wild.
Yeah there's a lot of foreign influence, some of it successful as well:
Romania's national security council (CSAT) has declassified two documents this week that reveal a coordinated propaganda campaign that boosted an obscure far-right and pro-Kremlin candidate into the country's first round of presidential elections.
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Just an opinion from someone who has been around the internet for a long while. It wouldn't surprise me if most of the comments are bots. I remember what it was like to interact with humans, even dumb humans, and they aren't nearly as blatantly agenda-driven as commenters on what I'd call "visible social media".
There are plenty of people who have a vested interest in disrupting means of communication and organization and they are investing a great deal in "false idea proliferation".
My 0.02¢.
Oh, you asked for a percentage, in the popular subs? 80+%. In niche subs that don't affect the Overton Window? 5-30%. And yes, these numbers are favricated outward from my butt hole.
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Why "foreign" bad actors? Reddit is a US company and has "former" CIA in high-up positions. The site is heavily astroturfed by US military and intelligence. The prevailing opinions seen on the site are extremely pro-NATO and pro-"Israel". If foreign actors are trying to influence the site, they're in the extreme minority.
The site is of course also heavily botted to fake engagement, similar to how twitter is, but i think a lot of the unpleasant people on there are real. The site caters to their hostile, antisocial behavior.
If reddit and lemmy (to a lesser degree obviously) have anything in common, it's that they both desperately need perspectives from outside the US to be heard more. I mean just knowing what is meant by "foreign", shouldn't happen. Like foreign to which country? Oh of course the global hegemon again... Why is this the default on an anti-imperialist site?
In 2013 Reddit accidentally revealed the most "Reddit Addicted City" was Eglin Air Force Base. A city with a pop of 2.8k getting +100k visits. Neat.
The 2nd most popular city from that list, Oak Brook Il, is the HQ of Elsevier, a data analytics company & DOD subcontractor.
The Research Lab at Eglin AFB was cited in a 2014 paper on how to influence social groups to converge to a "common desired state"
It's been a decade since. How far do you think they've come?
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Why “foreign” bad actors? Reddit is a US company and has “former” CIA in high-up positions. The site is heavily astroturfed by US military and intelligence.
i had this same thought and it's clear that posts like these are meant to frame the conversations so that it we only talk about the foreign bad actors and not the american or western bad actors.
seeing these bots and shills expand into lemmy; especially throughout .world is bone chililng to me sometimes because it makes it clear how thoroughly well this slop sells to the american people.
It was not my intention to suggest there are not "domestic bad actors". I live in America, and yes, that is a blanket term that we use to generalize countries that are antagonistic to "American values". We have plenty of domestic bad actors. I was painting with too broad of a brush and that was my bad.
I would bet the actual number of active bot accounts is probably lower than many people think. Maybe 20-30%. Those accounts are more active than humans though, maybe accounting for half of all the posts. Many of these bots arnt even proper LLMs, they are just scripts recycling generic comments, catch phrases and old memes and upvoting each other endlessly.
I suppose the spirit of the question was "volume of content" vs "volume of accounts". But there is a problem with loading a lot of content onto a singular account (from a bot detection PoV), and that is that it is easy to detect if an account is a bot if their post history is :
- Metronomic (or)
- Relentless in volume
To solve that problem (aka bot camouflage), the maintainers of said bots would use volume of accounts as a disguise mechanism. For that reason I assume that the volume of bot accounts has to scale with the volume of "pushed content" as, in my assessment.. if I were running a bot network I'd want to be sure that my most-active bots were only 50-80% as prolific as known-human accounts.. then simply distribute your content across those "strategically-limited-spam-bots".
So as a TLDR I guess what I'm saying is that the volume of accounts has to scale with the volume of influence assuming you'd want your influence to appear organic.
The meta above this would be what, account creation monitoring? It's an interesting conflict. Influence peddlers vs bot detectors.
What is gross to me is that platforms like Reddit appear to be catering to the influence peddlers. (or in the case of Facebook and Cambridge Analytica.. allying with and giving birth to said influence peddlers to the political gain of Zuckerberg's personal views on politics.)
Should one person have such power? Probably not. Explains a lot of "unexplainable" occurrences happening.. back to back to back to back to..
This is the modern incarnation of "billionaires buying newspapers" to maintain control of the narrative.
The problem is I dont think many of the accounts really care if their total account activity appears organic. They are mostly there to create volume, sometimes to puff up activity metrics, to amplify specific points and narratives, or simply to shut down conversation if it strays into the wrong topic. They know Reddit doesnt actually want to stop them, and the individual accounts rarely say anything interesting enough to justify human users taking the time to evaluate their post history.
You make a good point.. In general, no one cares enough to track all this down. That is true. So that makes me wonder.. who does/would care? So in a capitalist system, until the day the flow of money is impacted, generally nothing changes.
So if Reddit really is all (or vastly) bots, then aren't advertisers paying to advertise to bots? And if that is true, at a certain point some metrics will show the yield on their investments is bunk.
Maybe that is how it collapses. I can hope.
Bots on reddit are absolutely a thing. Ever since reddit's API went private it became exclusively a for-profit venture for manufacturing consent.
If anything the foreign bots have gone down recently but national bots have gotten out of control. Given our political climate I suspect kumbaya posts of being bots more than anyone being polarizing.
I'm a foreign good actor (to non-Australians), does that count?
Not to brag or anything, but I was nominated for a couple of acting awards in recent years.
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I’m a foreign bad actor.
It’s probably higher than that. Every time I comment on there it feels like a play with the way people act and respond. Like it’s not real, or they have a script to follow. No real person would act the way most Redditors operate.
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All redditors are bad actors and 99% dont live in my country, so...
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