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It probably seems weird asking this on Lemmy, but of course posting this on Reddit would get banned or taken down. Reddit doesn’t like being critical of Reddit. Anyways….

Over the last 10 years as a Reddit user I’ve believe the amount of accounts that are bots or foreign bad actors has tipped past 50%. I have no statistics to speak of, but would love if somebody did and could share.

Based purely on some of the conversations, posts, rage bait, strong ideologies, etc… I’m pretty convinced that a reasonable sample of humans could not or would not act the way they do on that platform. So often now I see posts that I feel are specifically attempting to sow discord and disagreement.

Does anyone else agree? What percent of users do you think are bots? Foreign bad actors?

Sadly, I think Reddit has no desire to find out or do anything about it. There would be no upside to them correcting their advertising numbers.

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[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

"Foreign bad actors" Sigh. This is propaganda framing.

The fact that reddit is astroturfed by the US government, US actors like Hillary's campaign in 2016, etc is very well known. Reddit even did an oopsie many years ago admitting that the most active reddit city was a US air force base with influence operations located there, aka psyops, aka propaganda bots.

If it has foreign "bad actors" they don't control the narrative, they don't control the main big subs, they don't have an in with the admin team, they don't run even a large minority of bots.

If these mythical creatures people like you believe in (as a result of the US policy of always accuse your enemies of what you're doing to hide it better) to pretend that the problems are all those evil foreigners do exist they exist as grains of sand caught in a mighty torrential river of US propaganda machines and influence operations. They exist hopeless. Helpless. With no friends on the admin team unlike the US propagandists, fighting a pointless fight where they are almost certainly subject to frequent, near immediate bans after mass downvotes by controlled moderators and/or mods who just are that happy to prevent any viewpoint but the US one from existing.

Even framing your question like this is a massive pushing of US propaganda. This isn't so much a question as a weaponized trojan horse that starts from the point of view of the people who control the most bots and the narrative totally on reddit.

The only thing approaching foreign, non-US "bad actor" astroturfing and botting would have to be the zionist bot effort which is admin and main subs moderation team backed and also backed by the US government by the way who doesn't care to get upset about it or raise it as an issue and demand it stop because they're supplying weapons to that genocide.

I mean the way you state it is literally the line being pushed by US government censorship proponents who are angry any foreign voices, any voices but their own are getting through.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just because the US does it doesn't mean other countries aren't also doing it. OP said bots or foreign bad actors. Sure, a narrow scope that utilizes propaganda language, but your comment is some false dichotomy whataboutism tankie shit

For sources on foreign influence in U.S. social media, consider:

  • A study detailing Russian influence operations on Twitter and their effects during the 2016 election.
  • Research highlighting ongoing influence campaigns by various countries, including Russia and China.
  • Reports analyzing foreign influence tactics.
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

Well, he could have just said bad actors, but then the answer would be a lot higher...

[–] slowmotionrunner@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Your point is fair and I didn’t mean to imply that bad actors are purely foreign. There are plenty of domestic bad actors. Please excuse the “propaganda framing”.

This was my subjective opinion based on the kinds of discussions and posts I see.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A lot of it IS foreign though. I don’t know about a majority, but it’s wild.

Interesting research into bots by The Flashbulb

[–] OmanMkII@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah there's a lot of foreign influence, some of it successful as well:

Romania's national security council (CSAT) has declassified two documents this week that reveal a coordinated propaganda campaign that boosted an obscure far-right and pro-Kremlin candidate into the country's first round of presidential elections.

https://news.risky.biz/risky-biz-news-declassified-documents-reveal-russias-election-info-ops-in-romania/

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago