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I used to be really keen on Teslas but a combination of Elon and stories of poor quality and after sales support have killed the brand for me.
They could be the best cars on Earth and Elon's fuckery would be enough for me to do every tiny bit I could to keep their stock as low as possible.
Polestar sells something for a similar price and better quality, and without awkward associations with a billionaire nazi.
No way I'm giving my money to that fascist, I don't care how good or bad his cars are
It's slowly becoming a point of abject loathing. Many of us openly laugh at Tesla drivers, not in the least because they've taken the crown of "deadbeat drivers" from BMW & Mercedes a long time ago. See an asshole on the road? 66% chance it's a Tesla.
If you need to cut someone off, best to do it to a Tesla as the car is likely to prevent collision and you get to piss off a musk simp
How about not creating dangerous and potentially deadly situations in traffic, no matter how much we disdain the cars brand or think the other driver is an asshole?
You cut off the Tesla, the Tesla breaks, the car behind crashes and the whole thing might turn into a mass accident with dozens of injuries and some people killed...
European view: I always thought I'd love a Tesla when I make the move to electric.
Would never, ever buy one now and it's purely because of mister half a trillion election purchasing oligarch.
I'm guessing Elon endorsing the "drive your car into a crowd of Christmas shoppers" party is not going to help.
His own cars have already been doing that more than enough. So maybe he feels a bond with AfD over this incident?
Get ready for the "full self-driving" defence.
What’s the link between the AfD and the terrorist?
EDIT: https://taz.de/Anschlag-auf-Magdeburger-Weihnachtsmarkt/!6058115/
He's from Saudi Arabia but he hates islam and thinks the german government conspires to turn Germany into an Islamic country. He has ties to multiple AfD officials as evidenced by his Twitter account.
What a plot twist
Turns out the real terrorists were the fascists we made along the way...
You mean apart from parroting AfD talking points and retweeting Elon Musk?
The Elon Musk who endorsed the AfD before the man drove into the crowd?
I was just asking for context, which I’ve since found (see edit). Chill man ✌🏻
Sorry, but it's been a major part of this story so it felt like a loaded question.
Is there a point where Tesla's board will oust him to save the brand?
Nope. They are tied to the hip. From what I see the Board are just cashing out as it sinks.
Who else is on the board besides him and his brother?
Even his brother tried to get him to back down on all this craziness, but he didn't listen.
TBH I don't know. I assumed it was a normal board of directors that has a check and balance to the CEO. I should have known it wasn't.
Edit- Actually, there is a traditional board. My question still stands then. https://ir.tesla.com/corporate
that would be really funny and i hope it happens
RIP Tesla. I will never buy one ever again and now champion against them amongst friends & family. Good riddance.
Handed back my model 3 leasing car in September. As long as they are the right wing nutcase is involved I will not buy anything from them again.
other automakers have stepped up to try and fill the gap left by Tesla,
Absolutely, IMO VW group has made a stellar job with the MEB platform, and are selling very good Electric cars at competitive prices.
VW group has of course the VW ID series, Skoda Enyaq and Elroq, Cupra Tavascan and Born, Audi E-Tron 4-6-8, Porsche Taycan.
This is a very impressive lineup IMO. And generally they have lower noise and better driving comfort than Tesla. Allegedly drive assist systems are way better than Tesla. No sudden phantom breaking, and no weird warnings about traffic that is completely irrelevant. Common for all is that they are all very good cars, without the weirdness of a Tesla. VW group has about 14 distinct models, so you have way better chance of finding a perfect fit than with Tesla.
Apart from that, if you don't give a shit politically, we also have some decent Chinese options. Xpeng is very attractive IMO.
The best selling EV here is the Skoda Enyaq, and that's absolutely with good reason, there is just about nothing to fault on that car IMO, it is also my own personal favorite, although I hate to go mainstream.
To quote Elon Musk:
You'd be a fool to buy ~~anything but~~ a Tesla today.
Soon, we'll find out VW's electric line is a scam and they're actually somehow gas-powered. Somehow. I mean sure you never fill it with gas, but
To be honest, VW EVs are extremely boring and overpriced. I would rather buy Volvo, Polestar, KIA or Hyundai. The fully specced ID.3 is something like 53K which is insane for such a small car. Their cars are simply uninspiring.
Maybe you're talking about the previous models? The platform starting with ID.7 is amazing. Yes, I replaced my Tesla with an ID.7. Two of my friends waited a bit longer and grabbed the GTX ID.7 Tourer model instead - now voted best EV of 2024.
The price of my ID.7 was slightly more than the much smaller Model 3, and way cheaper than Polestar and KIA.
The problem I have with id7 is that it is bigger on the outside, smaller on the inside and not as fun to drive. Having said that, I recently got to drive a new Model3 and the changes the last 5 years has not done it any favours. Quieter, yes, but that's about it for the positives.
I hate crossovers but I actually like the ~~Taycan~~. I love everything Porsche makes. Too bad I'll never be able to afford one.
I didn't know they had an electric version of the ~~Taycan~~. That's awesome.
Edit - Macan not Taycan
There has never been a non-electric Taycan, it has always been a pure battery EV
It's also not a crossover. Sedan or wagon. And I can say firsthand that the wagon is outstanding
I have a Model 3 at the moment. I've had it for almost 5 years and it's generally been great - cheap to run, quiet and comfortable on longer trips but still fun to drive on back roads.
Recently it had its first major breakdown, and although Tesla service did manage to take care of it, it's got me browsing for new EVs - but now, buying a Tesla is not the foregone conclusion it once might have been.
First, they have been making some truly stupid design choices in their latest facelifts (deleting the indicator stalks and gear selector).
Second, their CEO has now gone completely mask-off fascist.
Third - after a few years for the competition to catch up, we now have genuine alternatives from other marques which are just as good if not better EVs than Tesla's offerings.
I think my next car will likely be a Polestar 2.
How come those gods of capitalism aren’t even that good at running businesses? Seems like the whole thing is a sham.
Best news I've read all day.
Somehow investors will spin this as a positive thing and share price will go up still lol