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What does it take in terms of assets, abilities, and/or income for you to consider them wealthy?

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[–] Brutticus@lemm.ee 4 points 51 minutes ago

The tiers for me are: Doesn't worry about money -> Doesn't work -> Can afford a US senator to protect money. There are not titles for this kind of thing.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

Bezos is not wealthy. He just has a lot of money. I can't imagine he's found any real happiness with it. Sure a brand new Ferrari every week can buy you some happiness, but that's short lived.

The man has a serious mental illness that will not be addressed, because he has too much money and power for anyone to be allowed to tell him he's ill.

Billionaires are a danger to themselves and others. They should be admitted into a mental hospital against their will and they should be treated until they are cured.

This isn't even a "CEO bad" joke. I honestly believe it's a mentally disorder. Or maybe a specific mix of different disorders and unfortunate environments, circumstances and enablers.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 65 points 3 hours ago (18 children)

Of course, rich is a relative descriptor, like tall or heavy, some people are richer than others.

I would call anyone who doesn't need to work in order to live (i.e. who can live off investments and interest) rich.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is apt, because I know people who earn six figures but work 60 hours a week and are living paycheck to paycheck. They're not poor, but they're not rich.

[–] wirelesswire@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 hours ago

A 6 figure salary while living in midwestern USA or elsewhere with low CoL is very different from living in most areas along the coast.

[–] Elextra@literature.cafe 3 points 2 hours ago

Sorry for linking back to the R word. But FIRE comes to mind with your post

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I would call anyone who doesn't need to work in order to live (i.e. who can live off investments and interest) rich.

Some caveats I would add: (1) Excluding receivers of pensions and/or other benefits.
(2) Without moving to a different country. I could retire today, if I moved to a low cost of living country.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

For (2), in that country, you would be rich.

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[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

If you get a golden parachute after losing your job, you're overly wealthy.

Lots of other good definitions in here as well

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 1 points 1 hour ago

You can cure rich with a weekend in Vegas, Wealth is terminal.

[–] palebluethought@lemmy.world 24 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There are two thresholds that matter: "rich" is where you no longer have to really think much about money on a day to day basis, and "wealthy" is where you no longer have to work for a living. Both thresholds depend on your expenses and the lifestyle you're looking for, I guess

[–] will_a113@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 hours ago

I was about to type something very similar, but switching words. “Wealthy” to me implies having enough wealth to not really worry. “Rich” makes me think of Lamborghinis and yachts and mountains of cocaine.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago

I liked it back when the aristocracy was just called the "leisure" class. At least they didn't spend their time playing at being an executive and pretending they earned what they have.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

I consider anything above $500k to be "well off". Once you start to pass $10M, that's truly wealthy. $1B rhymes with obscene

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We need a new word beyond rich. Everyone takes rich as a personal achievable goal.

We need a word for someone who has more money than is healthy. An easy to use word.

They are so rich they no longer know the cost of things. They can't relate to their neighbors. They no longer need to be a part of their community to survive.

[–] incogtino@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

That's a good one

[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

$5 million of spare money. Not net total wealth but actually $5 million investable dollars.

At that point, I'd you stick that money in a very conservative and safe brokerage account allocation, 5% return per year is $250k. That is a higher salary than almost anyone needs, meaning you can live very comfortably without working. You can't buy a yacht but you can be "done" and so can your children and their children if they aren't stupid.

If you choose to work, then you can just reinvest that $250k and let compound interest do its thing and get richer. Lucky you.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (4 children)

If you can basically do whatever you want and the cost is of little to no concern, you're rich.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Eh I'll adjust that a bit to "and you're not required to work 40 hours a week to do so". If you are living well and still working, then I'd still say congrats, but that's not rich, that's supposed to be the top end of middle class. (If it is anymore, well, who knows).

The big kicker is if tomorrow they lay you off, are you nervous or worried? Not rich then, the rich would shrug it off and take a few months or years off doing whatever they like. If your first thought when you get laid off is "how long will my savings last" or "I need to find another job", congrats! Not rich.

But if you don't need to work (or you're someone like a board member or executive who shows up for 10 hours a week and claim they "work", then no, your rich, you have enough were you don't have to work anymore.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What if you don't have to work and you can fly to Europe for vacation without much worry, but you can't fly first class without worry?

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Ok, so not rich at that point.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

There are very few people who feel this way. CEOs making millions per year feel like they need to work - their mansions, airplanes and such cost so much money they don't dare not work. It never occurs to them they could live like the rest of us.

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[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Personally, I'd consider myself rich. I live in Germany which is already among the richer countries in the world giving me access to an insane amount of infrastructure and opportunities. Furthermore, I work for an IT company and make more money than average and more than I need to satisfy my immediate needs (shelter, food, transportation etc.) and pay for my hobbies (mostly outdoor stuff). I might not be a millionaire and I can't just retire tomorrow but still I'm very aware of what a huge privilege I have compared to a vast part of humanity.

Personally, I think already my taxes are too low. Not to start about millionaires or billionaires.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Anybody who doesn't have to work for the rest of their life because it's voluntary + they don't really have to look at the price tags of the things they want.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So would that include retired people?

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Few retired people I know can ignore the price tags off stuff...

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I think a lot of people retire with more than just social security to live on.

What if you have enough to live the rest of your life without working but can't do that if you buy a Ferrari?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

In general I would say you're rich if you could stop working and live a life where you never want for anything

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Living in London and working in the City so long really skewed my view on this. I guess because I worked with so many people earning six figures (and double that for household income) who were still very much "workers", were paying off the mortgage and hated commuting like anyone else. They didn't seem rich to me. Maybe if they sold up and moved out of town, sure, but just trying to live day to day they were counting the cost like an average person just up-scaled.

I feel like being able to live off passive income / interest AND living where you want is where "rich" starts for me. I could live off passive income now, in a basic place far from London but I'm not "rich". I can live pretty much where I want in London, but I'd have to continually work for it. Being able to do either of these things would put me in many people's "rich" bracket but for me it's when you can do both at the same time.

[–] Norin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Someone for whom the normal and inevitable experiences of suffering (illness, death in the family, natural disaster, etc) have no real economic consequences.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Rich - enough money to throw around and buy expensive things, but could lose everything with some poor decisions because they are spending their income instead of focusing on future wealth

Wealthy - expenses are easily paid using income from investments, easily accessible loans from property, or some other wealth based process. They don't need to actively work to do the same kinds of thing a rich person can do, and it is difficult for them to lose their wealth.

There are not any specific dollar amount thresholds, because it depends on spending and local cost of living. Wealthy people will make decisions that maintain enough wealth that will increase in value over time to beat inflation, rich people make decisions based on whether they can afford it right now.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You are wealthy/rich at the point where you no longer know or care about the well being of the people that count on you to survive–the point of dehumanization is the threshold of a monster.

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