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“Progressivism never took root in geek culture because gamers didn’t see themselves as persecuted nerds, but as temporarily embarrassed jocks.” - DragonBallZinn
this post was submitted on 13 Dec 2024
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Nah the former jocks include finance bros and car dealership owners. You may not think of that as jock labor but they didn’t all go on and become professional athletes.
finance bros and car dealership owners.
100% + the new techbros and cryptonerds. The talenyed athletes are not usually the stereotypical jocks.
I don’t have the exact quote but in high school English it was required reading that we read this sci-fi book called Unwind and one of the protagonists actually made this connection.
“There were two types of cops: the bullies who peaked in high school that want to keep reliving their glory days, and people who were bullied that want to oppress undesirables as a misguided way to get revenge on ‘wrongdoers’.” - Unwind (not exact quote just what I vaguely remember.)
But it explains the two types of fascists and those in fash jobs perfectly.
EDIT: Here’s the full quote -
“The way Risa sees it, there are two types of people who become Juvey-cops. Type one: bullies who want to spend their lives reliving their glory days of high school bullying. Type Two: the former victims of type ones, who see every Unwind as the kid who tormented them all those years ago. Type twos are endlessly shoveling vengeance into a pit that will never be full. Amazing that the bullies and victims can now work together to bring misery to others.“
Wiki sounds interesting, worth reading?
No, it's the most unbelievably hamfisted anti-abortion, utilitarian ethic screed I've ever seen, poorly disguised as your standard YA dystopian fic.
Unwinding is, in universe, the process of completely taking someone apart and using all their pieces as medical transplants for others, and parents can choose to have their kids unwound up until the age of 16 or something for any reason. It's the trolley problem variation where the surgeon kills one person for their organs to save five that need transplants.
I didn't particularly enjoy the book either (probably because I'm not a Young Adult), but the whole point of the novel is that unwinding is an absurdly evil "compromise" that's worse than forced birth or abortion. I read it as a caution against liberal civility politics, more than anything.
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The overlap in personality types between moneyed City of London finance bro trader types, and Silicon Valley start up wanks was startling when I first moved to SF. Engineers just exist to support their pump and dump schemes, and the culture reflects that
Are there any highschool subcultures that are cool now? Speaking from a US perspective:
- Jocks are now finance/crypto bros, or clueless managers.
- Nerds are building bombs or AI or spending their days trying to get people to click on ads.
- Theatre kids are imperialist hamilton libs who think the US is "a nation of immigrants", and not a settler-state based on indigenous eviction.
- Hippies are pacifist color-revolution-supporters.
- Goths are probably eco-nihilists.
- My experience with modern day punks, skaters, and stoners is that they're mostly some kind of libertarian who believe in a lot of reactionary conspiracy theories.
- Hipsters are almost always some flavor of western-chauvinist / white supremacist.
I was just thinking that everyone who is recognizable to their high school archetype is probably part of the problem.
literally, if all someone does is move along the rails after high school, they likely suck.
the only people from high school who aren't fucked in the dome 20+ years later, are the people who are wildly different humans now and have some life path that can't be quickly understood without interpretation.
also, the people who just plain vanished and don't have any socials could probably be cool.
Goths are our best bet. They also have a lot of experience of dealing with anything of a spooky nature. 
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In a world where everyone is a prep in spirit, be a proud goth.
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Do any of these high school subcultures even still exist?
Yes, I as a zoomer can say so confidently, although the lines arent so strong anymore. A lot nerdy hobbies are also done by the jocks and “jessicas” and the social groups are mixed up more.
Goths are probably eco-nihilists.
I prefer green anarchist doomer.
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jocks are crypto scammers, cops, and people high on the corporate ladder, hell the chief executive overlord of those nerds in the picture is probably a jock
Notable jock Elongated Muskrat
Ur-CEO big wet dump was a jock in his highschool and college days
To clarify a teensy I looked it up (cuz i couldn't imagine him playing a team sport) and yeah, a "troublemaker military school bully type" jock not sports doing jock
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sure lets devolve everything to dumb stereotypes made up to sell merch thats very marxist of us
its not that deep
Death to America
im tired boss
Americans will divide themselves with little outside input. Under capitalist alienation, they seek to find an in-group with the most asinine qualifications possible. The end product are clothing that says something like "I am a VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER born in FEBRUARY who is a SLYTHERIN and likes COFFEE and AIRSOFT"
"Yeah I'm a nerd, I'm a Hoosier, I listen to Tool, I drink La Croix, I drive stick, I live in the suburbs, I watch DCEU #ReleaseYetAnothetSnyderCut, I own cats. What sportsball team is playing in the Superb Owl this year? Haha"
I think it's perfectly fine to make fun of them for their voluntary association with even ostensibly benign labels.
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Jocks commiting war crimes:
Nah these days those are nerds too. I have a job where a work with a bunch of vets and most of them are massive fucking nerds who never held a rifle outside of basic.
Okay, but the Navy SEALs and infantry war criminals are jocks
MFW somebody says the navy seal war criminals are jocks
Bonus picture of combat accountant chic
But yeah you are right, modern day special forces are jocks. The "operator" look used to be "my dad" but now it's more like "how cousin Kyles dad thinks he looks". Smh we used to have proper war criminals.
What was that CIA ad that was just a neuro-atypical Hispanic woman working for them?
We're in a new age where POC and LGBT can indiscriminately kill sleeping brown people in developing countries with a predator drone while looking for a teenager who threw a rock at an APC. Anyone lacking a soul can be a ghoul, it's not just white jocks and white nerds anymore! The Long arms of empire can now embrace disabled people, LGBT, POC and other minorities into their brutal war machine.
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mind you one of the premier US Navy SEAL poster boys is literally named "Jocko" and he looks exactly how his name suggests
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Anyone who had the pleasure of being in STEM would know that in 1 picosecond.
More specifically TE part. I’ve taken biology classes and usually the bio majors are great people.
Way too many CS bros are just business majors in spirit that are at least smart enough to learn a real skill.
Didn't have the pleasure to interact with biology students in Uni, though I'll admit the people I met from biomedical engineering were pretty cool overall.
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objection there are plenty of jocks in STEM, its a jock field these days except for maybe CS and software eng
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They're nerds, we're nerds, it's nerds all the way down.
No, they're nerds we're dorks.
Big difference.
If you're in tech and you're not trans, a gay furry or friends with a bunch of trans furries, you're in this picture.
it's all down to the theatre kids to save the world now
Hamilton 2: Ham Harder???
They already did in 2020, but ah well nevertheless 
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She grok on my twitter til I X dot com the everything site
Grok's woke
they're all smiling yet none of them look like they have ever experienced joy
why is the stereotype of big impressive sportman called 'jock'? while the 'jockey' is the smallest species of sportman?
Jockstraps?
horse jockey-->bike jockey-->jock-strap for bike jockey-->jock-strap for jocks
is how wikipedia tells it, seems about right
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Large parts of San Jose's population should be publically killed.
Yeah, the jocks are just selling cars at their Dad's dealerships, same as they always were.
The nerds on the other hand are wasting potable water all for the chance to have their computers to produce porn for them before they even search for it.
Was plato right about the requirement of a strong body being needed to balance a strong mind?
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