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Hello everyone! Hestia here with a new Megathread! Years ago, before I transitioned and when I was still in college I took an anthropology class. My favorite part of the class was when we were covering different gender customs across the globe and got to make a report on one of them. I can't remember exactly which one I chose for that project, but what I do remember is a map with different pins scattered on it with various forms of gender-queerness. I decided to track it down and share it with you folks!

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=8.016975588774075%2C64.4248907814756&z=2&mid=1zDWxhBN5aOofwpE-FkZWQsiFDlE

Edit: you have to open this in a browser, if you're on a phone it will automatically try to open it in Google maps and won't bring up the info.

This map provides a brief summary of these genders, but does not go in depth. If you find any you're interested in, feel free to do some further research and share your findings here. I'll pin a comment to this post you can attach them. I'm going to share a couple that I found interesting and decided to look further into myself, both of them are non-binary and native american in origin.

The first one I want to talk about is the Winkte, which is a third gender role that was particulatly notable in the Lakota tribe The Winkte are seen as half-men, half-women, and considered sacred. They are typically AMAB and historically have served unique roles in matters of romance and matchmaking and often served as intermediaries for prospecting couples and their families. They also participated in war parties, functioning primarily as witnesses to battle and as doctors to care for the injured. They were also seen as seers, able to forsee paths to victory.

https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-winkte-and-the-hundred-in-hand/

This next one I'm going to talk about seems mostly local to the Zuni people called the "Lhamana" and I find the Zuni culture to be particularly fascinating, even just doing a cursory glance at it.

Gender roles were well defined in Zuni culture, but the Zuni also valued the concept of a "middle" as it represented stability. This originates from their creation myth, which I won't go in detail here because I don't feel qualified to summarize it, but it's in the link down below.

The Zuni culture is pretty neat and they don't refer to gender when talking about children. They believed that gender wasn't an inborn trait but something you acquired as you approached puberty. I wish this was the western approach, but alas.

As children approach puberty they begin to differentiate through different hair styles or clothing choices. AFAB Lhamana would grind corn and make a bowl of stew when they get their first period. There's probably some cultural significance to this, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on it right now. AMAB Lhamana would start to wear dresses once they hit puberty and start performing women's work. Both AMAB and AFAB Lhamana were allowed to switch between male and female gender roles as they pleased.

https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/The-Middle-Gender-in-Zuni-Religion

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[–] 0x2640@hexbear.net 8 points 11 hours ago
[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

LIFTING UPDATESo I am STILL not lifting yet, it's been like a month. I stopped taking tramadol and like I wanna get back, but Idk if it will make it better. What if without the pain receptors being numbed, it'll just hurt and be excruciating and I die? What if I rot instead???

I like that my chronic pain/fatigue is maybe stopping me from doing the thing that could make my chronic pain/fatigue less bad.

catgirl-cry I am never going to be the beautiful muscledyke........ tfw not athletic........

In other news I have the most creeping feeling that Fallow isn't a one-run game and that stuff changes, more than just the sealed door, if you play it again. I'll have to go back and puzzle over it. Give it more kisses, my beloved.

[–] AshenWolf@hexbear.net 25 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I got gendered correctly today. Had someone calling out "sir, sir", trying to ask me for directions. I turn to face them, and they look confused. "Sir, Ma'am, I can't tell with the mask on". I took my shot, put on my best fem voice. I had mastered the talk-no-jutsu, my voice training was about to pay off. I looked at the person, and proceeded to ignore most of the training, just changing pitch and speaking more softly. It still worked, I got called ma'am. They later apologized for getting it wrong, and I just said no worries. No eyebows. No stare. No disgust.

I've done it, I've won :keikaku:

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 13 points 12 hours ago

Just according to keikaku dont-laugh

It is fuckin awesome when you can slack and still get gendered correctly, which for me came with time, feels great tbh...

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[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 16 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Feel like I need to stop using this site because I need IRL friends since I'm very lonley, but all the queer groups in my area are full of radlibs and Zionists :( Like its unhealthy to have my main form of social interaction outside of my job be this website, but there is very few people who will click with my interests and queerness

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 5 points 9 hours ago

Definitely requires getting into some decent circles that have zero tolerance for radlibs and Zionism and generally aren't online, IKTF.

Recently booted a ex-friend (had been mild befriending for a bit, they increasingly were showing their true colors particularly re Zionism as it came up but in hindsight just not gonna have any tolerance for such takes anymore) for exactly such reasons, and I'd met them at a queer space (in that same space seen self-hating/mentally colonized hanjian, people playing a clip of some US talk show host laughing off that strike quite a while back on Syrian officers' academy graduation and family gathering events, etc). Honestly don't want to reach out in such spaces anymore when there are infinitely better ones (like my partner's friend circles and people online, or my siblings etc. or even what neighbors I've talked to due to mostly being POC).

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

its unhealthy to have my main form of social interaction outside of my job be this website,

Universally or personally speaking? 'Cause I ended up in your situation, for so many reasons.

[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Just noticed over time because the couple queer people who were almost socialists were actually cool to talk to and interact to. Just kinda miss that sort of thing in my life

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[–] rtstragedy@hexbear.net 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

maybe this is weird of me, but i kinda see bearsite as a means to an end these days; I see it as a place to find people with my interests and who i like talking to, and hopefully I can build something deeper with them. I also find tracha a little overwhelming so i don't chat too much, but I do like me some small groups or 1-on-1 things.

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This also 10000%. Hexbear and the grad, apart from shitposting and once in a while effortposting (etc) are more like a who's who/yellow pages/repository of people and activities that are not ghouls in one form or another and are generally pretty cool ish (even if we might not always vibe)

[–] rtstragedy@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago

agree, except uh im like super shy lol in chatrooms and starting dms etc. so i'm not great at it, haha

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The trans group chat is pretty cool. And there's a decent level of separation from how hexbear is. Join us sometime catgirl-heart

[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 13 points 12 hours ago

I joined it briefly when it came out but the volume of messages was too much for me, as I was either feeling like I was missing out on something, or I would be flooded with notifications. Thanks for the recommendation though

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Chat come up with a Digidestined and Digimon that would have the trans symbol from the thumbnail.

Uhhh, perhaps Angelmon to Angelwomon? Its possible in the Vpet and in various games.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 11 points 13 hours ago

cw yankee electoralismi got the most pathetic liberal comment on youtube after i said the blue team are just doing blue fascism and it's beyond pathetic how libs start waking up now again when the red team starts doing red fascism (it's the same fascism)

" you realize the β€œblue team” is not for that? You do realize that right??? And this song was during when β€œthe red team” was in power still. "

each question mark just fills me with more joy marx-ok this was under a RATM song because it's topical to fight against the machine again for the next four years

the song was released while Clinton was in office too! like goddamn

[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 25 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I saw my mom for the first time in a few months today, and she asked me if I'm aware I'm starting to look just like her and that seeing me was basically like seeing herself catgirl-huh

Officially in the estrogen making you look like your mom gang

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I still look like my dad but more and more yassified and femmed up at least. I do a lot of the same stuff my mom does which is horrifying, lean my head back the same way she does to read, same jokes, etc.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 10 points 12 hours ago

I expect to see my half-siblings for the first time since before covid soonish. Last time we met (was the first time I met any of them), the sperm donor also was there (and his son), and people seemed to agree I was the offspring that looked most like the donor. Kinda curious if people will think the same still. I think I look more like my sister now than pre-E, but not really sure if I look anymore like my birthmom and I might actually look less like my actual mom (whom is not related by blood) as a result.

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[–] Yor@hexbear.net 19 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

surgery stuff (positive)finally argued my case hard enough that the surgeon I'm going with says he feels comfortable moving forward with insurance authorization

lost respect for him over the last month, but I don't really need to respect him for him to do surgery. I'll take the W

now back to electrolysis once again. πŸ˜…


I've also learned all the hiragana and katana characters and can remember them without reference transshork-happy

need to learn more words and kanji now. it was really intimidating to finally start learning japanese, but it's really not so bad once I got used to it. I can slowly start reading words in media I like and that's so exciting, even if it takes me so long for now

[–] rtstragedy@hexbear.net 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

unsolicited and frankly overbearing excitement about learning japanesei found some success with anki + flashcards in the beginning after learning the hira/kata. there was a deck on anki web (or was it anki connect? you can just download them) that had voice lines and slowly introduced kanji and vocabulary, so you're learn full sentences. on the back side there'd be furigana.

i soon moved on to watching a lot of shows with japanese subs and a dictionary open (using the mpv script to make flashcards and auto-clipboard the text subs for faster lookups). i watched Non Non Biyori (for easy language), then Bocchi this way (only saw it with English subs for the first time last Friday...) as well as re-watched a couple seasons of Kaguya-sama (this one was much harder language...). it was kind of both incredible and also kinda depressing that a single 20 minute episode turned into a 3 hour affair, but i think when I finally got the jokes I appreciated it way more...

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

spoiler

but i think when I finally got the jokes I appreciated it way more…

Such a fun reward for learning more of the language. Like, I barely know anything, but its fun being able to point out things like how the hair color and names of the generation of miracles in Koroko's basket relate and makes their names a lot easier to remember. Given how little I know, yet sometimes notice things like that, I'm sure I'm missing a lot of other things just because of the language barrier.

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[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

spoilerYou have to do electrolysis again? Ouchie. I did not expect that after already having so much hair removal!

Congratulations on moving forward with the surgery. So glad you got a surgeon that is on board for you to get the body you’re comfortable in.

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

spoilerthe surgery site itself is fine, but I need to clear the donor area. for me that'll be forearm, so hopefully it goes quickly. not looking forward to the cost of that again lol

thank you tho cat-trans

[–] whatnots@hexbear.net 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

i love my fatness! i love my queerness! my fat queer body is beautiful and sexy!!!! kirby-spin

[–] hexbee@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago

Hell fucking yes, let's gooo ᕙ⁠(͑⁠°⁠‿⁠ ͑⁠°⁠)⁠ᕗ

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 11 points 15 hours ago

Miaut voran mit festem Schritt sabo

Arbeitercatgirls, kommt ihr mit? catgirl-salute

Wir sind die queere Garde des Proletariats left-unity-4

Wir sind die queere Garde des Proletariats trans-hammer-sickle

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 17 hours ago

I'm no longer a kissless virgin, just a regular virgin 😎

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