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Hello everyone! Hestia here with a new Megathread! Years ago, before I transitioned and when I was still in college I took an anthropology class. My favorite part of the class was when we were covering different gender customs across the globe and got to make a report on one of them. I can't remember exactly which one I chose for that project, but what I do remember is a map with different pins scattered on it with various forms of gender-queerness. I decided to track it down and share it with you folks!

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=8.016975588774075%2C64.4248907814756&z=2&mid=1zDWxhBN5aOofwpE-FkZWQsiFDlE

Edit: you have to open this in a browser, if you're on a phone it will automatically try to open it in Google maps and won't bring up the info.

This map provides a brief summary of these genders, but does not go in depth. If you find any you're interested in, feel free to do some further research and share your findings here. I'll pin a comment to this post you can attach them. I'm going to share a couple that I found interesting and decided to look further into myself, both of them are non-binary and native american in origin.

The first one I want to talk about is the Winkte, which is a third gender role that was particulatly notable in the Lakota tribe The Winkte are seen as half-men, half-women, and considered sacred. They are typically AMAB and historically have served unique roles in matters of romance and matchmaking and often served as intermediaries for prospecting couples and their families. They also participated in war parties, functioning primarily as witnesses to battle and as doctors to care for the injured. They were also seen as seers, able to forsee paths to victory.

https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-winkte-and-the-hundred-in-hand/

This next one I'm going to talk about seems mostly local to the Zuni people called the "Lhamana" and I find the Zuni culture to be particularly fascinating, even just doing a cursory glance at it.

Gender roles were well defined in Zuni culture, but the Zuni also valued the concept of a "middle" as it represented stability. This originates from their creation myth, which I won't go in detail here because I don't feel qualified to summarize it, but it's in the link down below.

The Zuni culture is pretty neat and they don't refer to gender when talking about children. They believed that gender wasn't an inborn trait but something you acquired as you approached puberty. I wish this was the western approach, but alas.

As children approach puberty they begin to differentiate through different hair styles or clothing choices. AFAB Lhamana would grind corn and make a bowl of stew when they get their first period. There's probably some cultural significance to this, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on it right now. AMAB Lhamana would start to wear dresses once they hit puberty and start performing women's work. Both AMAB and AFAB Lhamana were allowed to switch between male and female gender roles as they pleased.

https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/The-Middle-Gender-in-Zuni-Religion

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Gender research findings go here

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 6 points 3 hours ago

I think I sing as a stim. It really clears the brain out, not much else to focus on when you are. I tend to get riffs or lines stuck in my brain anyway, like the chorus line to Baron Saturday... I'm definitely not any good at it at all, I'm just some nerd plus I never took voice training very seriously, but also my singing is definitely a blessing to these walls and anyone who hears it.

I'm probably "best" at old Who songs and 1970s Golden Earring stuff like that, but I most enjoy trying to do KT Tunstall (even if I could never pull the high notes on Other Side of the World) or 70s era Heart tunes. Maybe this is why I really dig low smoky femme vocals, Idk.

Just belting random things out 24/7, absolutely breaking into song for no reason at the drop of a hat. It's more productive than a picking stim!!! (My throat hurts ow)

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 5 points 3 hours ago

I pretty dramatically put my fists on my hips earlier today and oh wow they actually kind of hurt? holy shit are they doing what I think they are?

[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

CW: Talking about top/bottom surgery29 hours until I have to be at the hospital for my surgery. Losing my mind. Just as excited for this as I was for bottom surgery a couple years ago. Finally will get my lopsided tits fixed. Gods know I always wanted large breasts even before my egg cracked. They're big enough as is, but now they're going to be BEEG. Can't wait.

That being said, I'm also getting a minor revision to my bottom surgery. I'm looking forward to that because that, too, somehow got lopsided >w>

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 16 minutes ago

Good luck with the surgery recovery and outcomes!

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

spoileri had ^sex^ with a very cool and beautiful person who made me hyperflush

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 4 points 4 hours ago

Phrasing... when I read this I didn't read the emoji as part of it...

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

going to ruin Thanksgiving this year by being a trans woman, getting drunk, and then screaming about how this holiday is a celebration of genocide and that we're currently on the stolen land of the Notdoxxingmyself people

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 14 minutes ago

Sounds like a great way to ruin Thanksgiving. Would be fun to be there!

Fortunately it should be a small immediate family thing for us this year.

been going to a lot more concerts/shows since transitioning, turns out dressing up and going out can actually be fun lol

partner found a really cool artist. i've been listening to them and it turns out they're anti-cop, anti-monarchy, sang at a pro-palestine protest AND has a show in my city this Friday??

we bought some tickets and i really want to try to make some friends this time but idfk how ohnoes

[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 8 points 6 hours ago

Do they make shark plushies that are like 6 feet long? Can't find any on aliexpress

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 15 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I haven’t gone swimming in years.
I used to love swimming.
I wish I could do it without worrying about how I look or body image issues or other people.

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've used tuck tape! It worked really really good. Dunno if you'd, specifically, go for it but there are lgbt only swim nights in some cities. My friends do that, don't even tuck for it.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 8 points 6 hours ago

It’s not as much the penis as much as other things

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I was going to jokingly suggest Swimply, but on reflection you may not want to visit a random strangers pool.

[–] nemmybun@hexbear.net 11 points 9 hours ago

holidays, family, wistfulI can't stand spending time with my family. They're hateful miserable people, just awful to be around and reactionary as fuck and during the holidays their bullshit is dialed up to max. When I came out, I decided to cut them off. I didn't want to hear their hateful opinions about me or my transition. I didn't want to give them the chance to hurt me again.

And I'm overall happy with that decision. But now the holidays remind me how small my world really is. I don't want to be around mine but I do wish I had a caring family to spend time with. One that loves and appreciates me for who I am.

[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The image didn't upload for some reason, and I am also still unable to upload images :( Just imagine two cartoon lesbians cuddling please

[–] RainbowReflection@hexbear.net 8 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

incoherent rambling inspired by one of DirtOwl's badpostsThis bad post by dirt owl got me thinking, oh wait sorry I mean feeling since I am dumb infp tanki with iq of -5, about the way we view gender as a society. Anyways, dirt owl was not the first user to talk about mbti on hexbear. Using the search function of hexbear, this post from four years ago says that it makes no sense that everyone fits into 16 distinct categories. Another comment mentions the anti-worker nature of the personality test.

The comments in the badpost often followed a similar line, with users identifying as personality types that are technically not part of the system. And this is actually valid, since in mbti you are actually the type that you say you are. What these comments show is resistance to a form of categorizing people, but it is even more than resistance, they are not even taking it seriously. The comments are metaphorically sending a giant PPB to the idea of separating people into new categories. And it's pretty obvious how this relates to gender, since both are attempts at limiting us within a binary system. Especially the thinking or feeling part, unfortunately, is connected with people's expectations of gender roles. But just as the badposters are the resistance to this typology, we are the resistance to the idea of gender under the constraints of capitalism. I think that the gender accelerationist manifesto articulates well what I've been thinking of better than I can, even though I didn't read it until today (If you haven't read it yet, perhaps you should...) Some of it talks about how the modern gender binary is a result of colonialism; that sort of relates to this week's megathread topic about gender in different cultures.

So I know that this personality stuff isn't widely used as a class to oppress people, although that is sort of what it is used for when it is used. But the way it creates boxes, it is easy to dismiss. But the typology being wrong doesn't mean that people don't have personalities. It just means that there are more than 16 expressions of personalities, since last I checked, I think that there's at least 16 people alive right now. The more "scientific" way to measure personality is through measuring traits on a multidimensional continuum. There is no need for labels to express your personality. The same goes for gender, the only difference being that gender is oppressive when used as a class. Maybe gender is also something that is multidimensional, and while some people can easily be labeled as a man or woman in the same way that others can be labeled as an extravert or introvert, there is much more variation in reality.

You know how AI language models store words as vectors? In this fashion, an analogy is represented: king is to queen as man is to woman. Here my observation is that there is some way to mathematically represent the idea of royalty, as well as some idea of gender, although most likely in this situation a reactionary version of gender is represented. But here gender is probably stored across multiple dimensions, and the gender binary could be a projection of some underlying phenomenon.

I would like to end this comment discussing the part of the manifesto about gender identity under communism.

Many people fear that, through the abolition of gender, our own gender identities will be taken from us. That, in abolishing gender, we will force you to stop identifying with your gender, however much you might enjoy that identity.

That was me, before yesterday. Now I am fully in support of gender abolitionism.

The end of gender as a system of power is our goal, and the end to gender identities is an eventual result, if it will happen at all, not something of importance or which we should strive toward.

The only way I can describe gender now is like brainwashing. We do what we are told, and we must comply. And almost everyone complies because they're all cis. If institutions didn't enforce this rigid interpretation of gender, life would be so much better for all of us here.

Sorry if this makes no sense or if some of what I am posting is obvious. Feel free to correct anything I said if it is brainwormed.

I love my trans comrades trans-heart

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

xi-clap Another brain cracked wide open by the Gender Accelerationist Manifesto! Grats, although a multidimensional mathematical representation of gender means you probably got even more out of it than I did.

Your endsummary rules as well. This combined with the Beyond Pink and Blue bit where leslie-feinberg talks about gender markers on IDs and shit being a form of control and often violence really rewired my brain.

good post and up with gender accelerationist manifesto lets-fucking-go
i should do a second read soon, it truly revolutionised how i think about gender and other class systems

[–] yewler@hexbear.net 17 points 12 hours ago

Uhhhhhhhhh I'm going thrifting with a couple of friends in 20 mins and one of those friends offered to help me with my hair and also I finally heard back from the place I was trying to get HRT at and they're calling me later this week to officially get me on the schedule.

It's a good day in gender town

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My package got seized, fucking transphobic customs

[–] hexbee@hexbear.net 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I ordered new estrogen from a different seller, this time from within the EU. I ordered bica from them as well and that did arrive so this should as well

[–] hexbee@hexbear.net 13 points 11 hours ago

Hope you don't have to go without <3

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 5 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

It's Monday! What have you been listening to for the past week? I'm shoegazemaxxing

(You can generate a collage here)

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago

spoilerTwo Steps From Hell / Thomas Bergersen

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

MBV just announced their first Dublin gig in 30 years and im gonna try get tickets this week!!!!

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago
[–] buh@hexbear.net 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The Cure's new album

Kendrick's new album

Spiritbox new singles

random late 00s/early 10s hipstery indie stuff lol

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 4 points 9 hours ago

spoiler

starkids my goats finally dropped another album jevil-bounce

[–] evelyn_beans_nya@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago

I'm a bit all over the place this week. Been getting into The Church lately.

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[–] AshenWolf@hexbear.net 2 points 8 hours ago

I've been listening to a lot of MCR, especially their first album. Also been listening to Karnivool's Asymmetry, plus a couple of songs from their Sound Awake.

The Chart

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Euphoria: New outfit items acquired: tights and colored socks.

DysphoriaI have discovered that I have no butt, and that is sad.

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Having no butt is fortunately the most solvable body issue, besides like changing your hairstyle. A fat butt isn't born, it's built

spoilerAlso let the record state that small butts are sexy

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I should probably clarify, it's not flat or actually small, just not round so it doesn't really contribute to the shilouette. I can work on it tho

[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 8 points 12 hours ago

butt

unsolicited gymrat adviceHip thrusts with alternating heavy low rep sets and high rep low weight sets, like a 3/6 heavy, 3/20 light blend

Seated hip ab/adduction cable weight machine, same blend of heavy+low volume/light+high volume

Bulgarian split squats with opposite side loading with a kettlebell, lighter working weight with more sets and reps and slower concentric lift focusing on form and getting some hip activation

Alternating leg lunges with a farmer's carry with dumbbells or kettlebells (can substitute with leg press and leg curls/extensions on machines if your knees don't like those, same with the split squats)

Donkey kicks with an ankle cuff on a cable weight station, either on the floor on a mat or standing ones if you have access to a dedicated machine like this (my gym has one of these and it quite literally whips ass imho)

Cossack squats, lateral lunges or pistol/shrimp/dragon squats if you're fancy and really good at bodyweight stuff and have good balance and RoM

For your butt! professor-helper-wave

(I also have disappointing butt genetics but I'm working my ass, uh, on? It's frustratingly slow but I'm making some gains)

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 8 points 12 hours ago

Anti-recommendation for shoes sold by Aphixta on aliexpress. They're very poorly made all over but most importantly the heels are wobbly and seem likely to break easily.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 18 points 14 hours ago

So I was a little worried that I wouldn't actually be happy after moving and that it was all just my own brainworms that I'd never be able to get rid of...

I was wrong. I'm actually feeling genuinely happier about life and at least somewhat hopeful about the future. I like the new job, new location is better than I imagined, and I'm making plans to start socializing IRL for the first time in ages. Everything seems to be going well and it kind of scares me a little, but I can't go through life just being worried all the time I suppose.

Also makes me happy that people are posting cute stuff in /c/cute :D I honestly wasn't sure people would be into it but at least some are. I need to keep finding new cute stuff to post to keep the cute train moving forward though.

[–] yewler@hexbear.net 24 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

I stood up for myself and my gender for the first time today. A friend kept degendering me and I asked him not to.

Kind of a small thing but I feel proud of myself since I've always had a poor self esteem

[–] Yukiko@hexbear.net 4 points 5 hours ago

Continue to fight. Don't let those close to you get away with such nonsense.

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 17 points 15 hours ago

Congrats!!

We need an emoji of the Soviets hoisting the red flag over Berlin but it's a trans pride flag

flag-trans-pride

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[–] Moss@hexbear.net 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Is it Gender of me to shit out my asshole like I've swallowed a nuclear bomb because that's what I be doing

waow-based

can relate, thank god for my bidet

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