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Misinformation drove these people to vote for Trump. This is going be leopard eating their faces. Sad and shows just how much fake videos and misinformation can influence our elections.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is why critical thinking is such an important skill. We have entire portions of the population who legitimately believe they are well informed while actually understanding nothing.

It's just a symptom of a bigger problem. Poor access to good education for anyone but the super rich will lead to this. So will demonization of higher ed.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dunning-Kruger needs to be duct taped to some people's foreheads

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

"Ouch, my balls!"

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"turning to Youtube" doesn't really say much one way or another. There is a wide range of content from professional media over smaller alternative media outlets over individual opinion pieces to manufactured disinformation from state actors all hosted on Youtube.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The algorithm doesn't really send you down the helpful rabbit holes in my experience. Every reasonable video on YouTube is like two away from Infowars level content.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I use Freetube so my algorithm has been slightly neutered. Yet I have gotten video recommendations that are all about “End Wokeness in Games” or “Trump is going to save us.” Those videos will take you directly to the far right.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

Yep and as per usual everyone in the media and in big tech that helped misinform all the voters will say "oh it's so weird that such and such a group moved to Trump" as if they had nothing at all to do with it.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Fucking morons bouta get rekt.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Average American political literacy.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 99 points 1 week ago (26 children)

We can blame voters or fix our media landscape. You can do both, but we need to do the latter to have a functioning democracy.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

People are really not ready for the media landscape conversation because it has absolutely no easy answers. The first amendment means that well-funded misinformation systems have an absolute right to keep operating.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

I have an easy answer: just give Trump full control over everything and he'll fix everything and make the good things and good words and good and stuff.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure, stopping billion dollar, profit-driven corporate media conglomerates should be super easy.

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

Honestly, "corporate mainstream media sucks" is a thing most people agree on. I know a guy who voted for Trump at least once who has been turning away from that kind of politics lately, and it's this kind of message I hear him repeating. Now, I'm sure we have different views on how to solve that and what alternative sources should be used, but if it's something to agree on, then maybe it's a point of leverage.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Democracy: "of the People, by the People, for the People".

Y'all seem to forget the middle part. Institutions, including the media, are not there to hand democracy on a silver platter. Democracy must be safeguarded. Constantly. There is no room for passive participation. American democracy is under threat because people are so apathetic and just expect it to happen on its own.

Statements like "the media should..." are not going to accomplish anything. It's just more passive participation.

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"I didn't do anything beyond confirm my own biases. Why are things this terrible all of a sudden? I didn't want this!"

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tell me you haven't spent much time in the naturalized Latino community, hanging out, asking them about where they came from, asking how they feel about illegal immigrants, without, you know, telling me.

After trump called every stripe of latino, rapists and murderers, and threatened mass deportations, out loud, and often, more latinos voted for donald trump in this election than have ever voted for any republican candidate in any american election before.

It's deluded and destructive, but this is the reality on the ground.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well I won't feel sorry for them when they get deported along with all the "illegals " they chose the leopard to eat their face on purpose.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yes. agreed. though, once again, working in the community, really opened up my eyes to what a great many naturalized citizens feel is important to them. not all, of course, but it shocked the shit out of me, and no one would have believed it until after they voted.

*edit: it's important to know what your constituency values, and if those things run counter to the basis of secular egalitarian representative democracy, change their minds. just saying well that's stupid and self destructive to the whole, isn't going to win their votes.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know all about it. I worked in the flooring industry. A lot illegal immigrants doing that work, and some had Trump stickers and blue lives matter stickers.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So they hate themselves? Or are they delusional enough to think that the Trump administration will weed out the "good" latinos from the "bad" ones?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The ones that voted are by definition here legally, and they're susceptible to the propaganda about illegals coming in and taking jobs and getting all sorts of resources from the government. If you believe that, while your path to citizenship was anything but that, you might start thinking something needs to be done about the border too.

While the border wall stuff is definitely rooted into racism, the economic argument will still speak to immigrants that are in the country legally. Of course, if Trump is serious about "rounding up illegals" or whatever the plan is, a lot of legal residents will also end up caught in the drag net, and it's going to suck for everyone.

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

for the republicans it literally doesn't matter. they can make up any reason. the eating people pets thing is one example. for some reason people eat this nonsense up gladly. rly shattered my faith in humanity again.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

If only there was some warning that disinformation was going to play a role in the election.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If everyone watched MeidasTouch for the political/legal news, America would be far saner and harder to dupe. Its the only media outlet I have any respect or hope for

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Trump's election seems/feels like reoccurring issue with short term memory, long term planning, critical thinking, and reading deficiencies amoung the American population.

[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

All the direct result of decades worth of work by Republicans to erode public education and vilify ‘expertise’ as a concept.

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

If everyone watched MeidasTouch for the political/legal news, America would be far saner and harder to dupe. Its the only media outlet I have any respect or hope for

I'm going to be honest, I watch a lot of very left-leaning independent media. MeidasTouch, BTC, David Pakman, Jesse Dollemore. I subscribe to BTC. But I've got a lot of issues with them, including MeidasTouch, myself.

  • They all use extreme and misleading hyperbole and clickbait in their titles and thumbnails that have a strained-at-best relationship with objective facts and the subject at hand. Saying that Jack Smith is winding down his cases against Trump is not "BIG news on FEDERAL PROSECUTION of TRUMP before inauguration!!!!", for example. BTC is particularly noteworthy for this.

  • They all focus their coverage almost entirely on Trump, to the point where it's not unreasonable to question what these people would do if Trump really were to just ride off into the sunset, and cover him in such a way where they are clearly profiting off of the outrage.

  • None of them promote new Democrat ideas or give coverage to Democrat politicians unless they are going on the air to speak against Trump. Little to no time is dedicated to left-leaning topics that aren't somehow heavily tied to Trump and keeping Trump outrage high.

  • With the exception of BTC, they all hock products that nobody has ever heard of, they have never heard of, and by the way they read the script, couldn't care less about beyond the check they get from the sponsor. David Pakman is particularly egregious with his claims about how long he's been using the product and is a fan of it, which you can tell is 100% grade-A bullshit by the way he reads the script.

Don't get me wrong. At the end of the day, they are still at least giving factual and accurate information even if it's clouded in hyperbole and clickbait, which is infinitely far more than I can say for Fox, Newsmax, Twitter, Trump Social, or OANN. The products they're hocking are at least actual products and won't actively harm consumers, unlike the crypto scams, ads for ivermectin, and whatever other money laundering schemes RAN is peddling this week.

But at the same time, they are all profiting heavily off of making sure outrage against Trump stays high. They all shy away from covering anything that could be construed as beneficial to Trump out of fear of losing subscribers. They all, with the exception of BTC, lie to their subscribers by claiming they use a product they clearly care nothing about. They all skew their coverage with an extreme left bent. They are far better than what we get from the right, but they are by no means objective, are not above and beyond skewing coverage in a way that they feel is most profitable for them, and would absolutely sell out to the very mainstream media they claim to despise if given the chance.

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Some of my fellow Chicanos can be stupid motherfuckers. They're proud of being Mexican yet ignore the racist shit spewed by Trump and vote for him anyways for "the economy." I'm a full citizen but I really hope the naturalized ones who voted for him lose their citizenship and get deported. It's like pulling the ladder behind you is such a self destructive human instinct.

[–] whithom@discuss.online 3 points 6 days ago

That would include you.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

Please don’t give up or condemn these people.

Keep in mind the total bombardment of right wing propaganda they are under.

All you need is to look at YouTube for an example. With a fresh account, or anything you search you’re quickly overrun with right wing, “anti woke”, Jordan Peterson type garbage.

These working class people are also victims of ruling class fascists. We all have to fight for each other now, or they will pick us off one by one.

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