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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 228 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

if living in russia taught me anything, people in distress reduce themselves (and got reduced) to the most basic questions, like who is to blame, and populists have them like a piece of cake.

Most vatniks, not unlike MAGAs, don't have answers to many questions, they want to be left alone to manage the hole they happened to be born into, and the promise of a candidate or ideology that does just that or even paints their quest as a herioic one, or a sacred sacrifice, would win again and again until there is someone to work with that and educate them.

They are used to live in shit and depend on themselves, don't know anything better and become pretty jealous if others get that. Others having it worse, especially their 'enemies', kinda makes their own living more bearable. Their struggle is a downpainment for a mission of punishing the unworthy ones.

When a person is downscaled to that childish level of consciousness it's impossible to reach them with rhetorics that don't directly benefit them.

As long as they continue to be like that and their thoughts are unchallenged, they'd always vote maga.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago

Really well said

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I haven't seen an analysis from your perspective before. Lines up very well with my experience from the Southern US.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 113 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Another way to view this is that the poor are voting republican now. Trump won those making less than $100,000 handedly while Harris won those making above. Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

The democrats are slowly becoming the party of the out of touch elite, and memes like this don't help. The democrats need to be putting forward solutions to those problems, and trump has shown it doesn't matter if they're viable or will actually help. If these "dumb poor people are rubes who will fall for anything" give them something to fall for. Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

That was basically Harris' tax plan.

What Would Kamala Harris's Tax Plans Mean For You? | Kiplinger - https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/kamala-harriss-tax-plans-2024

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter what your platform is if it's not communicated effectively to the median voter

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 49 points 1 week ago (17 children)

How do you communicate effectively to someone with their fingers in their ears screaming nananananananana? Please advise, oh political oracle.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You go on Joe Rogan for one. Kamala ran the last presidential campaign that will ever rely so heavily on the legacy media apparatus. This whole cycle proved that they are only broadcasting to themselves and real people are elsewhere on podcasts, twitter and YT.

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[–] yogi_pogi@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

This is exactly what I was pointing out to my friends. Every one of us are making six figures, and could not understand why anybody would vote Trump.

And I asked them how many people in their lives are poor, living paycheck to paycheck. I have family members who are working two or three jobs to get by. All the work Biden did is not being seen or recognized by them.

Are they are under-educated yokels? Are they morons for not keeping up with politics? You can call them what ever you want. Theyre still a voter.

Face it: what they're hearing from Democrats vs what they're hearing from Trump are pretty clear cut and we can stay in this echo chamber all we want on Lemmy. Those folks aren't listening to us. They're just trying to survive and will vote accordingly.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 102 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I love the "Have you actually considered that the state doing the worst under consistent Republican policy is voting because they're unhappy with the DEMONRAT status quo???"

They really don't give a shit about consistency in their arguments. People have or lack responsibility for their moral and political choices according to whatever suits their "LIBERALS BAD" talking point of the day.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

Republicans have had a vice grip on our state and local politics for 40 years...BUT ITS THE LIBRULS FAULT

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would make sense if Oklahoma hadn’t voted that way every time regardless of who the previous president was. But I mean, conservatives are pretty good at inverting their arguments. So I’m sure when Bush left office, they voted for Romney because they were so happy with how the Bush admin went. But when Obama left, they voted for Trump because they were so unhappy with how the Obama administration went. Simple!

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Maybe they voted against the incumbent so overwhelmingly because things are hard.

People vote based on their feelings.

When they were feeling pain, the message from the Dems was about how great the economy was, but the reality is that the stock market and GDP don't speak to the quality of life of these people. To them the Dems saying how great things were was dismissive of their real concerns.

Meanwhile, Trump latched onto their fears and concerns. Yeah, his policies are idiotic, and millions will suffer and be in worse shape. But when they said they couldn't pay the mortgage or buy groceries, he listened. The Democrats didn't because they've abandoned the working class that should be their backbone.

[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Maybe they voted against the incumbent

I wouldn't be so confident about assigning such motivation.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This type of meme isn't helpful when people already think the Dem Party isn't for working class people and elites only lol. Trump listened to people issues about material needs even if he lied. It still worked. Harris and Dems went on the whole time not addressing issues with the economy. Adopting a real working class agenda and free college would do wonders and putting resources to getting the crazy folk away from Education.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Working classes don’t need healthcare or education? Quality of life is irrelevant? A strong economy doesn’t matter? One of the highest minimum wages doesn’t affect working class? I

Free college (depending on income)doesn’t matter?

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Ever been to MA?

Crapton of working class people there. I mean a lot. It is possible to have top-tier education and health care yet have working class people in the same State.

Being a rural state does not by default equate to “working class”. If anything it probably means more people per capita on government assistance or in poverty.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Sadly Mass is also close to #1 in terms of cost of living.

I like it here but I don't like what it costs.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Oh no! #1 in cost of living and #1 in quality if life? And among the lowest poverty?

Do people really just need social support to thrive? No way! It's gotta be stuff! Cheap stuff! That's what life's all about!

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

No arguments from me, that's why I don't want to live anywhere else.

It does sting a bit to be stuck living with high rent in an apartment when my income would allow me to buy a decent house in another part of the country. But then I likely wouldn't have this income in other parts of the country, either.

When I moved back to the US from China, I immediately had health insurance thanks to Masshealth. Helped me have peace of mind while I was searching for a job back here. And now I get to work for an organization that helps other people land on their feet when big life changes happen, which is easier to do here than elsewhere.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Second in American health care. ..

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I crisscrossed Oklahoma on one of my cross-country trips, the state absolutely sucks and they even know it that's why you can legally drive like 80mph through the whole thing.

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Wasn't Oklahoma supposed to be given back to the native tribes? Like more than 50% of it?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

It was. And in fact the Supreme Court ruled in McGirt v. Oklahoma that the reservations still exist. One consequence is that Google Maps now shades the entire eastern half of the state in dark shading showing the borders between the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and so forth.

The tribal governments are taking an increasing role in providing public services to all of the citizens within their borders, as the civil state government descends deeper into libertarianism.

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[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Massachusetts is also 4th in the country for states with the most people leaving to live elsewhere.

No doubt due to cost of living because Massachusetts is ridiculously expensive. The friends I have there are either leaving or totally resigned to not owning a house or ever retiring. Comparing a historically important coastal population center to a historically poor and strategically insignificant flyover state doesn't prove much.

The states with highest domestic emigration (e.g. people voting with their feet to leave) are overwhelmingly left leaning. (Except for Louisiana and Ohio)

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So progressive places make a place so desirable to live in that people are willing to compete with each other for the experience.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"Why are blue states always so expensive?!". It's supply and demand. High demand to live someplace makes it expensive.

My million dollar house is worth as much as it is because of its located near high paying jobs, good school, and good neighbors. It's expensive to live where I live because lots of people want to live here.

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