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[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 51 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Pretty sure Mohammad didn't have strong opinions regarding internet privacy.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure Mohammad, Jesus, Buddha, and all the other gods would be concerned if they saw my porn history.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

That's the beauty of religion - if our gods and prophets did not materialize to contradict what we are saying in their name, that means they approve.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 125 points 6 days ago (5 children)

God would never use VPN, he has nothing to hide.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Except his genitals, how do you know God isn't a woman?

[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Read the book. Be it the bible, tora or koran. You dont have to read it very much, it's in the beginning somewhere.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

But he works in mysterious ways.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No it isn't. The right to privacy is protected in Shariah law. Either something nefarious is at play here, or the religious body was misled on what VPN is.

Sources for those not familiar with Shariah law, I actually studied it and was tested on it:

https://www.al-islam.org/islam-and-rights-privacy-territory-abbass-khajeh-piri/realm-privacy-islam

and this is from a Pakistani university:

http://www.sbbu.edu.pk/actaislamica/vol%2005%20issue%2001/Right%20to%20Privacy%20A%20Comparative%20Perspective%20in%20Law%20&%20Shariah.pdf

[–] ashar@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's the government's pet religious authority. They will produce any opinion that the government wants. Is there a name for these kind of scholars in Islamic history?

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Yes in Arabic they are derogatorily called وعاظ السلاطين the sultans’ preachers.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm really interested in reading the part of the Quran that forbids VPNs.

[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"Thou shalt not taketh sponsorships from NordVPN"

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 days ago

"In this religion, we use ExpressVPN!"

Quran, probably

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[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 82 points 6 days ago (1 children)

someone should point out to them that a vpn is the technological equivalent of the burqa.

either ban both, or allow both.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Not like that

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

For context: this "religious body" is governmental.

In pakistan, military has gotten so powerful that they literally kidnap and torture you for being critical of them. And if you live outside pakistan they kidnap and torture your family members, demanding you to remove your posts.

And recently pakistani people have started to become more and more anti-military. So they are using VPNs to hide their identity to protect themselves.

This "religious body" is making it seem like this is to stop porn but in reality its about stopping people from being critical of military rule.

Edit: they banned twitter in february because people were organizing anti-military protests there. So the people started using VPNs and now they want to ban VPNs.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 days ago

I wonder if me, and American, looking at Pakistan is like how Europeans look at America... Government and police are crazy. But the food, culture, and people are probably nice.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago (29 children)

Really wish our species could evolve past this moronic, religious bullshit.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Its not about religion, its politics. A few years ago the Pakistani military overthrew a very popular prime minister who publicly said that it was the military behind his removal. Then slowly and gradually there was more and more evidence behind military involvement which as a result, made the public anti-military. They have been kidnapping and torturing anyone critical of them.

But the more they oppress, the more people become anti-military. It got to the point that in february the government blocked access to twitter because of anti-military sentiment, so people started using VPNs. Now this "religious body" which is government appointed claims to block VPN because "people are watching immoral things via VPN". But in reality, it is to stop people organizing protests.

Also a governmental body can not decide what is islamic or not, thats not how islamic law works. It has to come from islamic scholars and there needs to be consus on it.

I don't think any major islamic scholar who lives inside pakistan has signed or approved this message even though they want to stop porn they know its not about stopping porn, its about making it difficult to criticize the military.

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Its not about religion, its politics.

It's about religion. In a theocracy religion is politics, and law, and culture too.

Religion isn't something that empowers people to do more or live more freely. Religious dogma is nothing more than a set of arbitrary laws and norms, written and decided by man, but given the weight and authority of god(s)--the fear of eternal damnation in the afterlife being the only way that people knew to keep others in line in a world devoid of secular laws.

How did we convince women that they were lesser beings throughout human history? Why do we consider some forms of consensual adult sexuality to be morally wrong? Why do we believe that human beings are destined and entitled to live on this planet forever no matter how poorly we treat it?

The answer is religion. Religion is mass delusion, used mainly as a tool of oppression. Socrates was sentenced to death by a jury of Athenians for thought crimes against Athena, showing that religion, democracy and justice simply do not mix. Thousands of years ago (or more) gods and religious law were the inventions that ushered humanity into the post-truth world that we live in today.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Look we can criticize religion for its issues all we want but in this specific case, they are using religion as a tool to get what they want. If it weren't for religion, they would use something else.

"Terrorists are using VPNs to evade law enforcement"

Or maybe something racism related

Fascist/authoritarian governments always use something to control the public.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 51 points 5 days ago (2 children)

US Christians: "write that down!"

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The "protect children online" act or whatever. Ugh.

[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 7 points 5 days ago

KOSA. But yeah, same level of religious fuckery. They want to impose big brother because it's easier to root out dissent.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago

Won't be long now, unfortunately.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 74 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The Council of Islamic Ideology said the technology was being used in Pakistan to access content prohibited according to Islamic principles or forbidden by law, including “[...]websites that spread anarchy [...].”

So they admit it's not (only) about morals, but also (or mostly) about their position of power not being threatened.

BTW: By blocking access to the internet, they stop people from following the order in the Quoran which states that people should educate themselves.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

It’s almost as if they would tailor their religious doctrine to suit their own needs. Who could have imagined such a thing could happen.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

they stop people from following the order in the Quoran which states that people should educate themselves.

That's the beauty of the major world religions. When you have power in your hands you can pick and choose what you want to honor and make it public policy, and there's nothing the plebs can do about it.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 60 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Encryption is totally and completely haram

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

Which is super fucking ironic:

David Kahn notes in The Codebreakers that modern cryptology originated among the Arabs, the first people to systematically document cryptanalytic methods.[15] Al-Khalil (717–786) wrote the Book of Cryptographic Messages, which contains the first use of permutations and combinations to list all possible Arabic words with and without vowels.[16]

The invention of the frequency analysis technique for breaking monoalphabetic substitution ciphers, by Al-Kindi, an Arab mathematician,[17][18] sometime around AD 800, proved to be the single most significant cryptanalytic advance until World War II. Al-Kindi wrote a book on cryptography entitled Risalah fi Istikhraj al-Mu'amma (Manuscript for the Deciphering Cryptographic Messages), in which he described the first cryptanalytic techniques, including some for polyalphabetic ciphers, cipher classification, Arabic phonetics and syntax, and most importantly, gave the first descriptions on frequency analysis.[19] He also covered methods of encipherments, cryptanalysis of certain encipherments, and statistical analysis of letters and letter combinations in Arabic.[20][21] An important contribution of Ibn Adlan (1187–1268) was on sample size for use of frequency analysis.[16]

Ahmad al-Qalqashandi (AD 1355–1418) wrote the Subh al-a 'sha, a 14-volume encyclopedia which included a section on cryptology. This information was attributed to Ibn al-Durayhim who lived from AD 1312 to 1361, but whose writings on cryptography have been lost. The list of ciphers in this work included both substitution and transposition, and for the first time, a polyalphabetic cipher[23] with multiple substitutions for each plaintext letter (later called homophonic substitution). Also traced to Ibn al-Durayhim is an exposition on and a worked example of cryptanalysis, including the use of tables of letter frequencies and sets of letters which cannot occur together in one word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cryptography#Medieval_cryptography

But then Pakistanis aren't Arabs....

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Decryption? Also Haram.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 47 points 6 days ago

"It is not enough that Allah knows everything you do. We must also know."

"That sounds like blasphemy to me."

"Uh..."

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You know I am starting to think maybe this modern Islamic law is just not very good.

"VPNs are haram but tor browser truly is the work of Allah himself"

Some guy, maybe.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Religious nuts want to creep on your internet usage too.

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[–] Railison@aussie.zone 12 points 5 days ago

Something something sneaking into other people’s houses is haram therefore VPN is haram?

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Baqarah Ayat 18: No one shall use VPNs

Wonder how long until the USA has this

[–] bender223@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Anything is against religious law if you try hard enough.

Actually, you don't have to try that hard 🤷‍♂️

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