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[–] wick@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago (3 children)

What a weird arbitrary number. I wonder where they got that idea from.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

Nope, al-bukhari

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 160 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Somebody tell Gaetz. That might be one way we get rid of him.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] llamatron@lemmy.world 115 points 6 days ago (3 children)

"Consent"

Like consent even comes into it

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 46 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If they can consent to extra sprinkles on their ice cream, they can be child sex slaves.

(Edit: I just wanna say I'm so glad I didn't need the /s for people to... Wait, I hope people aren't actually agreeing with this)

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 99 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So does that align with Mohammad 's second wife?

All religion is just a framework to be shitty.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 122 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I dont know why you'd be downvoted, people should be reminded of this often.

The prophet Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 years old. According to the history he waited until she was 9 to start raping her.

Edit: he was 53 when he started raping his 9 year old wife. Fucking gross.

[–] hihi24522@lemm.ee 34 points 6 days ago

I would assume the downvotes are more for the “religion is a framework to be shitty” part. I’m also going to get downvoted for a similar reason.

Religion is justification for one’s moral compass / desires.

You see people who think it’s morally okay to rape kids or take away women’s rights or the rights of trans people or the rights of gay people etc. These people can’t justify morals (or lack thereof) logically so they use religion to give them a false sense of rationality. Hence you think religion is a framework for being shitty.

However, there are other people who use religion to justify “good” behavior like compassion and acceptance. These people are still reliant on fallacious beliefs, but their actions are not “shitty” so they get offended. Furthermore, others—who know people in this second category—may also think the remark about religion being shitty is not correct and is rude. That’s why it’s getting downvoted.

Fun sidenote, we can actually formally prove that religion or at least absolute morality doesn’t matter, and that people will just do what they want no matter what:


Proof. We seek to prove that people do whatever they want regardless of the existence of a god or absolute morality. We have three natural cases:

Case 1: Assume neither god nor an absolute purpose/morality exists. Then a person will default to their own morals. Hence, if neither exists, people will do whatever they want.

Case 2: Assume a god or purpose/morality exists that does not align with a person’s current morals. (For example a god that required you to strangle six puppies every year or required human sacrifice, or raping kids, or blowing up hospitals, or working in finance, etc.). Then this person will not follow that god/purpose because they are a bad god/purpose. Hence, a person will do whatever they feel is right regardless even with the existence of a true deity/purpose when that god/purpose does not share their morals.

Case 3: Assume a true god or purpose does exist and that it aligns with the morality of a person. Then that person will be living that way anyway, so the existence of the god or purpose has no effect on them doing whatever they want.

In each case a person will do whatever they want regardless of the existence or non existence of a god or a true purpose/morality. Q.E.D.


I should note that while I did come up with this proof myself several years ago, I learned later that Marcus Aurelius and other philosophers beat me to the punch by several centuries. But hey philosophy is the study of understanding existence, if we both exist in the same existence we can and should be able to discover the same facts about reality.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

Edit, phrasing.

I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse, especially when states use them to justify bullshit. Goes for western countries too.

Some folks probably think I'm targeting

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Abrahamic origin

It's not like other systems have a much better track record. Shintoism was responsible for the rape of nanking, the ongoing Rohingya genocide is being done in the name of Buddhism, and take your pick of at least 2/3rds of everything the Roman empire ever did

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

Sure but that's not the system being discussed, I figured I'd limit my scope a bit lol.

I agree with you, and my original comment spoke to that

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

So the common denominator is: people suck.

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 days ago

So they just want to legalize what they've been doing all the time anyways?

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Matt Gaetz b like rubbingHandsTogether.gif

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (22 children)

I understand that Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. But it sucks that support from his opposition is what helped push this. They're not bad because they are Shia; they are simply the worst of the people that opposed Hussein. This is what happens when you prop up puppet governments. The rights of the people aren't important to the puppeteer.

Tl:dr: Even with Saddam Hussein's death, Iraq never got its freedom.

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[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 45 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

As if women in these countries have the right to consent or not in the first place

[–] lukstru@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago
[–] Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They follow muhammad right to the letter don't they?

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

At least they're consistent 🤮

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 46 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I quickly googled this and mostly found sources like Fox News or Times of India that follow some agenda.

So here’s a Guardian article on the topic in case anyone was wondering about a commonly known source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/09/proposed-iraqi-law-change-would-legalise-child-say-activists

Basically there are some religious hardliners that are in the pocket of Iran that want to reduce the marriage age to 9 which would effectively end up in legalizing child rape. Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“. So basically after the ~~destabilization~~ liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

The people ~~suffering~~ enjoying their liberation are the normal people as usual.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“

Those damned hedonists indulging in the luxury of... checks notes... keeping their dicks out of kids.

So basically after the ~~destabilization~~ liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

I mean, they were ~~destabilized~~ liberated by the same people...

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[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm so glad we brought freedom to that country 👏👏👏

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago

Mission Accomplished

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago

That's grim

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

That guy from Rhode Island is stoked.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Meanwhile, in America...

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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