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So far historically it was "they're not Christians", then it was "wrong location" (cause they wanted the land/resources), then it was "they're not the right race", then it was "wrong economic system", and now it's "wrong culture"; what's next do you think?

EDIT: By justifiable I don't mean it's actually justifiable, I mean most people will consider it justifiable.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

To protect the treats

I'm not kidding at all

The open embrace of imperial violence to maintain one's own personal lifestyle will be an increasingly popular position as material conditions deteriorate: Treatlerism

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd argue this is the third tenet of the evergreen "life, liberty, and 'the pursuit of happiness'"

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The pursuit of my happiness even at the cost of your life and liberty

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Basically the justification for bombing Yemen, “they’re threatening the sea lanes and international shipping!!”

Nevermind that they are doing a targeted embargo to stop a literal genocide, the specter of treat stoppage is used as justification for violence in response.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 60 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're sitting on all "our" clean water.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

This one is also my guess. Water and viable farmland.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"They make the nation weak" will be for targeting internal minorities, and we'll use the regular "sorry, wrong race" when fighting Russia and China. In other words, same as always.

[–] FromPieces@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 week ago

"their trans ideology will corrupt the kids!"

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

mcrib out of stock

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

there isn't enough food and water

[–] urmums401k@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Never mind why

[–] 2812481591@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

"Lifeboat Ethics" probably wont be in full swing until the late 2030s, and the West definitely has a few genocides it can do before then...

Probably "FAFO" "only 60% of them voted for Democrats" "I didn't see them care at all when The Ukranian Genocide was happening in 2022"

[–] AlyxMS@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

"We did the last one and things ended up fine for us."

They won't need a reason.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Because Xi finally hears our prayers:

timmy-pray xi-plz

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

I vote for genocide on all the liberals who posted trolley memes in the last few months.

[–] Piment@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

if a bird flu epidemic coincides with the mass deportations it might happen extremely soon, sorry the vaccines have to go to real amerikkkans and also you must be deported during an epidemic just how things are

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i think that there's still plenty of mileage left on the good old fashioned "they're terrorists" excuse that worked this time around.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

“for science!” Is the justification for desecrating Hawaiian sacred sites in Hawaii

[–] Lawn_and_disorder@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

We cant let more people in to a sinking lifeboat.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In order of most likely/immidiate:

Invade Mexico to secure the border and fight the cartel, in reality just an excuse to round up everyone who doesn't speak English in a Guantanamo 2.0 right on the border while doing the same obama-drone on random Mexican schools and bars/markets "owned by the cartel" or some shit.

Next if somehow US goes to war with China you can absolutely expect Asian concentration camps.

Then inevitably I don't see the US surviving climate change without doing the whole "cleaning the cities" first. At first it will be homeless and drug addicts. Then it will be LGBTQ and in the end it will be camps for climate migrants between states e.g Florida.

[–] a_party_german@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

It's really always just us vs. them. That principle encapsulates all the reasons you listed.

Our benevolent humanitarian intervention vs. their unprovoked, brutal war of aggression. It's really just the meme.

We always mean good, they are pure evil, so we had to kill them all. We didn't intend to kill all those women and children, it's their fault.

What's amazing is how many people actually, really believe that, even with college degrees and all that.

[–] ExtimateCookie@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

I think it all follows the same structure. There's an imagined wholeness and peace that was beset by something alien, eliminating that alien threat will get us back to how things were. In case of Israel for example, things were great before October 7th and then something was introduced and we need to eliminate it. The imagined wholeness is always a fascistic nostalgia for a state that never was, and the alien threat element is a scapegoat for the problems they don't wanna face. Genocide is the fascistic structure taken to its limit. We find this now in Trump's rhetoric about how things were great before the alien emigrants and how getting rid of them will turn us into this imagined state of wholeness and belonging, it's always scapegoating and focusing internal issues on one group in order to avoid facing them.

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

oh god, i read the title without the next and was very concerned for a second there

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

"Because we CAN and its FUN!"

4chan won, they're going to go full mask off.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

China probably gonna genocide global warming ig...but at what cost???

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Whoopsie doodle

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Plenty of Christians in Gaza, so these Christian Nationalists have a different justification. We all know this, but I guess the pedant [or person who screamed at his dad who was really chill with a hospital getting bombed] in me feels the need to point this out.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago

I think they were potentially referring to Native or Indigenous American genocides in the Americas. When the Spanish and Portuguese Catholics came they justified enslaving and genociding the natives under the justification from the Spanish monarch at the time that basically Catholics (interestingly of any race/ethnic group) were not allowed to suffer under slavery or be slaughtered... but non-Catholics weren't protected under this decree/law/whatever it was.

This actually is credited with the "invention" of racism as we know it now days. If anyone could theoretically convert to Catholicism and escape slavery, that was bad for the slavers. So they slowly moved over to a race-based, ethnicity-based system of chattel slavery where one's ancestry determined one's place in the world forever with no chance of upward mobility. Obviously the English and other first European settlers in what became the United States took the racism to the inevitable maximum endpoint and now over 150 years out from the formal abolishment of chattel slavery the effects of the racist systems still remain.

Anyway, I think if the reference was to Gaza or Palestine the more correct statement would be "because they aren't Jewish." Because that's ultimately the "problem" for the state of Israel and their pursuit of a permanent Jewish ethnic/religious majority. Palestinians could believe in Hinduism or Christianity or whatever else but at the end of the day the "issue" is they aren't Jewish. Just like white supremacists are concerned only with white/non-white dynamics. Acknowledging this also demonstrates why the "it's an ancient war!" idiots are dead wrong. Well, another way of demonstrating that fact. It has nothing to do with what they are and everything to do with what they are not. Again, the same as white supremacy. You're either white or you aren't. You're in the protected oppressor group or you aren't

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Those damn Mexicans won our drug war!"