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[–] manucode@infosec.pub 222 points 3 days ago (9 children)

This graph is misinformation

Although we have seen a small decline in traffic, in no way is it what the graph is showing (which some have incorrectly interpreted to be a 50% or 35% decrease). This year [2023], overall, we're seeing an average of ~5% less traffic compared to 2022.

Original comment by jo3rn@discuss.tchnics.de

[–] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago

And yet they didn't show us a rectified or accurate graph.

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[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The irony of it all is SO making deals for AI to scrape their site for machine learning but in doing so more people are using chatgpt and copilot more because it's easier and just as accurate. AI/ML is really going to destroy these websites and yet it's the websites signing off on their own death sentences.

[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 2 days ago

It’s called selling out. I doubt they have any illusions about the future of these platforms, they just don’t care as long as they can cash out.

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

I think they see the writing on the wall and they're trying to make a buck while they still can.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What I'm still not sure of is this... When these websites die will the LLMs stagnate with no new data to use for training or will they somehow keep up with new technology and eliminate the need for certain basic questions that would originally have required human input?

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

The ideal result? LLMs are just early versions of much better things that come later.

The unlikely result: we develop a separate human curated internet somewhere, complete with verification that a human wrote every bit. Basically verifiable digital id and signing on everything. Maybe.

The probable result: the internet turns to shit as AIs are trained on content created by AIs.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 55 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Down voted. If you're just going to post a screenshot, you must include a link to the source. This is a link sharing platform.

[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I thought I was going to be rickrolled but this is better.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Now that's just a signal for training reinforcement

[–] zante@slrpnk.net 102 points 3 days ago

It will recover when AI learns sneering condescension.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 62 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I've been on SO like ten times altogether since ChatGPT came out. It's so much nicer than the condescending pricks of Stack Overflow. My favourite is when some genius links a question as a duplicate of something that's vaguely similar.

[–] echodot 12 points 2 days ago

This question was already answered 10 years ago in a completely different version of the programming language to the one you're using, and we know it doesn't work anymore, in fact hasn't for 8 years, but we're going to close it anyway because screw you.

Also you should be doing it in Rust anyway

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The problem is that fewer people are generating the new content for gpt to slurp up.

Free information stops working when people stop caring about creating it.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, I've thought about that as well. Doesn't mean I'm gonna miss Stack Overflow specifically. Perhaps something better replaces it when AI gets poisoned by its own output too much.

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago

my first thought about it too

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 83 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

Wonder where chatgpt will get its training data in the future, as it's known not to extrapolate well. Where will it learn new frameworks, languages, ... from?

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Its going to starve itself.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago
[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I doubt it ever scraped SO, otherwise all the answers would be smth along the lines: "I cannot answer this question due to low quality effort!" closes browser window

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

The documentation?

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[–] amzd@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

It’s also around the time they did away with their jobs board thing isn’t it? I got a job through it in 2021 and somewhere after that they sunset it, which was an insane business decision because it was the best job search platform out there.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t this when Safari and Firefox started blocking third party trackers by default?

[–] asap@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

That wouldn't stop page views from being counted.

[–] wewbull 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just wait until there's no stack overflow to scrape.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I think it goes further than that. There's two things happening with regard to AI and software development.

1: Stack overflow has become less common as a resource to solve problems. This, as you say has a problem of input into LLMs for future problems to solve.
2: Junior developers are being hired less because of AI. I assume the idea is that seniors will use AI in the same way they would usually use juniors. Except, they've done what business always does. Not think one bit about the future. Today's senior developers are yesterdays junior developers.

The combination of AI performance drop due to point 1, and the lack of new developers because of point 2 makes for potentially, a bad future for the profession.

[–] wewbull 32 points 3 days ago (6 children)

As a senior developer I have no idea how I'd get an AI to autonomously keep a small subsystem maintained. If I was replacing junior developers, that's what it has to do.

Everybody in my team gets to own something. What you own depends on your capability. You learn by doing. No dogsbodies doing busy work.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago

Everybody in my team gets to own something. What you own depends on your capability.

This is a point I try to constantly make when people don't understand why 2 people have the same title but don't really have the same job, especially in technical fields.

No two people have the same set of skills, so we all end up taking on the tasks we're more capable of than the next person.

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[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago
[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Chat GPT is wonderful as a search engine for SO. It regurgitates the answers in a format easier to incorporate into your own project.

The thing I'm worried about is a lack of new answers. You need data to train an LLM, what to do if nobody is producing it?

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[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But can ChatGPT downvote answers into oblivion?

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[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Do they actually publish this data?

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah. When I need additional insights on a difficult technical configuration, it's nice to be able to speak to an artificial insufferable dipshit, rather than a real human insufferable dipshit.

The AI ones continue helping me even after I explain to them how they come across to real humans. (I do my best not to mention it to the insufferable Human dipshits, of course.)

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I'm raising their traffic,by slowly poisoning my answers & questions.

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