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Auntie Oedipus (@Parasite@kolektiva.social):

One of the most toxic elements of democracy brain is viewing 51% as victory and 49% as defeat.

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[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not really a problem of democracy. More of an American problem with it's 2 part, FPTP electoral system.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If your party has 51% in basic any parliamentary system, you basically rule the parliament.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's really only the case under incredibly undemocratic systems like the US's that don't support more than two parties or proportional representation.

The problem isn't democracy, the problem is undemocratic systems that just call themselves democracies.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago

No, I mean all liberal, representative democracies. I would actually call those "undemocratic".

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

that is because politics has effectively turned into a football game in some countries

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

51% vs 49% is the difference between having absolute complete control over a company, or just being important but still needing the board's approval. 1% makes all the difference in the world in many, many subjects.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Yeah. That's the toxic bit.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean you can have Open List Proportional Voting, where candidates then get gove representative roles in those proportions... They have proportional systems in Germany and Japan, and people have to work together to get things done.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The system in Germany is currently in the process of breaking down and caving in to the (far) right.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

That's what people are voting for, the electoral system might not be the issue, the way medias cover the far right might be. By law in French Belgium the far right doesn't get live media presence and what they say needs to be filtered to remove the lies and not report them, the result is that the far right isn't much of an issue over there.

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