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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

America needs more people like Bernie, too bad Republicans and Democrats are hopeless and don’t get it

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 71 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Seeing Bernie speak truth to power is incredibly refreshing, especially since he points the finger not at the voting public, but at his own team mates, who absolutely did drop the ball multiple times.

I hope people actually take his words on board.

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A lot of my in-laws are Trump supporters, but do you know who they support more than Trump? Bernie. They want a lot of the same things that progressives do. Obviously there are Trump supporters that are racists and fascists, but I'd bet the majority just want a better deal for the working class, and they fell for Trump's promise that he's the one to do it.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's quite interesting that there is a lot of cross over between Trump and Bernie, but Trump does at least pretend to care about the working class.

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[–] humblebun@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

That's one thing that I like about grandpa style lefties and don't like about Lemmy: blaming trumpists for wanting a change in the political system. Lemmy and MAGA crowd share common fears about the future and have absolutely different solutions.

Why the fuck one wants to highlight the difference and not the thing that's in common. People achieve unimaginable results when working together.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Blaming the voting public does nothing other than to help us feel better about ourselves. "It's not our fault, the people are just stupid and naive. They were always going to vote for Trump, there's nothing else we could have done". It's what we've been doing the past three election cycles and it isn't working.

We can't make them change. Change only comes from within. We can't keep telling them they're better off with us. We need to pass legislation so that the average, uniformed voter can see it for themselves.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 120 points 5 days ago

The last great presidential candidate. The only once I’ve ever actually liked.

Hopefully more senators like AOC will come around that were motivated by Bernie and can take the party over.

[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 94 points 5 days ago (9 children)

I hope liberals learn from this and start organizing. The billionaire-funded Democrat party will never pin blame on the capitalists that fund them to get working class votes.

As this article points out:

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

Read Blackshirts and Reds

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Liberals and neoliberals are the problem. The only solution is for progressives to start a new party. The DNC just showed that it is incapable of learning, constantly courting the right that will never actually vote for them, or telling billionaire donors to fuck off.

Liberals are just conservatives that refuse to take their masks off. Neoliberals even more so. These are the "white moderates," and the "supporters of the MIC," that Martin Luther King Jr., and Eisenhower warned us about.

Bernie showed us the way forward. Billionaires are merely dragons to be slain and ignored.

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[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He’s spot-on. I’m pissed and do want change.

[–] Blackmist 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Both sides do.

It's just a shame that was the only real option on the ballot.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think Bernie is giving too much credit to Americans. IMO the election doesn't show that the Dems abandoned anybody, it shows that half the voters in the country are fucking idiots. To help them you would have to trick them into letting you. Unfortunately most people with that ability are assholes who are only going to use the amorphous mass of stupidity for their own benefit.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

The election Margin was under 200k people in 3 states. Correctly people in safe states voted for what they wanted not what they had to do.

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[–] ifGoingToCrashDont@lemmy.world 83 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The right are perpetually angry. They are angry when they win and angry when they lose. It's a hallmark of their cult. There's no pleasing these people because they don't know what they're angry about, they just prefer to be angry.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Every fascist needs an enemy. The threat is required to rally around their flag and blame someone else for their failures. When there's no obvious threat in sight, it has to be produced - else there's no other way to maintain popularity among subordinates while also sanctioning them.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I’m tired of being told how awesome the economy is. It’s great for the rich, but the cost of necessities like housing, food, and healthcare has outpaced the CPI, so we all feel worse. A cheaper big screen tv doesn’t help much if you can’t afford the basics.

Aggregate economic data only says so much. Lots of INDIVIDUAL people are suffering. While the CPI is one basket of products, everyone has their own, and this everyone has their own rate of inflation. So saying wages have kept up with inflation is a fallacy on 2 fronts. Some saw income outpace the CPI, others it did not and they’ve lost income. But even among the former group, everyone had a personal rate of inflation that may well be higher than the CPI.

Instead, the wealthy and politicians look at averages and medians and assume it’s just negative feelings. But we were alive in the 90s. We were alive in the early 2000s. We know about the 50s and 60s. We know the economy used to be better for working people. We want better.

Trump, of course, will not deliver that. But Harris didn’t inspire confidence she would, either.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

My wife is a teacher, so we use her healthcare, but I still peek in at the healthcare at my job when enrollment comes along, just to be diligent.

It went up 20% this year, from $600 to $720. If you make $30K a year and got a 3% cost of living adjustment, you make less this year than last year from healthcare alone.

Food, gas, rent, cars, childcare, utilities, everything is up. I guess it's cool that US steel or something might be doing well, and the stock market is up, but that minimally affects the day to day of most people.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

My raises, baring promotion, are 2% a year. I did the math. I’ve lost $10,000 a year to inflation at this point. In aggregate it’s around $22,000 at this point.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And yet every newscast has a stock ticker. Even NPR gives the stock index ratings several times a day.

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[–] s08nlql9@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i hope Bernie discovers Fediverse and stop using the broken bird site

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (44 children)

The Democratic party has failed us. We need an actual workers party and we have about 3 years to build it.

Join PSL if you have not already

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[–] stinerman@midwest.social 44 points 5 days ago (22 children)

I think the Democrats are too far right, but that's not what lost them the election. What lost them the election is that voters think the President controls the price of groceries, and if cheaper groceries means killing a lot of brown people, that's a small price to pay.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trump is going to prove that the President controls the price of groceries by enacting tariffs on imported food and getting rid of all the people who catch, raise, and harvest our food. He's going to make grocery prices go through the roof.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm sure that will be blamed on someone else. Probably trans people.

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[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 52 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I want Bernie for president and I'm not even American.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago (3 children)

We tried. And almost got him. But then the DNC Services Corp rigged the game against us to stop him.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I’ve said this before but the DNC is actually just another wing of the Oligarchy. They exist to provide a fabricated conflict so that people think it’s a divide based on ideals, not on class divide it truly is. Look at the wealth of all of the leaders in the DNC. It’s pretty much the same circles and wealth as the RNC.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It is so incredibly refreshing to hear someone with (however limited) power say what I've been seeing with the naked eye.

A four-hour drive through rural America last week showed me this: trump signs in the very poorest and the very richest yards, for miles and miles. There was the occasional Harris sign for obviously middle-class dwellings but not all.

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[–] notsure@fedia.io 44 points 5 days ago

....something, something, Bernie warned us about this in a video 20 years ago, something, something, status quo.....

[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why more people didn't vote for Bernie Sanders still confuses me. His policies would benefit the majority of the working class and end poverty for millions of Americans.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

We weren't allowed to.

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