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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 120 points 2 weeks ago

The last great presidential candidate. The only once I’ve ever actually liked.

Hopefully more senators like AOC will come around that were motivated by Bernie and can take the party over.

[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 95 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I hope liberals learn from this and start organizing. The billionaire-funded Democrat party will never pin blame on the capitalists that fund them to get working class votes.

As this article points out:

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

Read Blackshirts and Reds

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We need at least one new party in this country, and one that runs for local elections first to build a bench of people who can run for higher office.

Even if I didn’t believe the national Green Party was just a spoiler (regardless of how they started out,) they spend all their time and energy pushing a presidential candidate every four years rather than working on ground game.

I think states like Texas are actually fertile ground if you focus on what people are dealing with in their day to day life and start small-county commissions, town council positions, even sheriff if you have a county where the local sheriff is unpopular and your party platform is looking at criminal justice reform.

I also think pushing for changes to use ranked choice voting with proportional representation would generate long-term change. Single Tranferable Vote has worked well in Ireland, and historically it worked well in multiple American cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote?wprov=sfti1

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the problem isn't the cities, it is the rural bits in between that won't want to give up their excess power per vote in the current system.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those are also places where a lot of regressive candidates run unopposed and hold office for decades because they’re the only ones who have an interest in the position. Prime spots for someone with different ideas to throw their hat in the ring.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Liberals and neoliberals are the problem. The only solution is for progressives to start a new party. The DNC just showed that it is incapable of learning, constantly courting the right that will never actually vote for them, or telling billionaire donors to fuck off.

Liberals are just conservatives that refuse to take their masks off. Neoliberals even more so. These are the "white moderates," and the "supporters of the MIC," that Martin Luther King Jr., and Eisenhower warned us about.

Bernie showed us the way forward. Billionaires are merely dragons to be slain and ignored.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been seeing suggestions for that book a lot. I was even going to see if I can grab it from my local library, but it's just an e-book for some reason. I guess I can read it on my tablet but i prefer physical books. I do want to support my library though by using them, so it's a tough choice lol.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can always check out the e-book version even if you go find a physical copy to read instead. I saw a librarian asking people to do stuff like that since the active use of library services let's them argue for better funding and services.

Also, see if they have a physical copy at another branch. My local library is part of a network that spans across multiple towns, and they can often get books sent to them from other branches if they don't have a copy themswlves.

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[–] ifGoingToCrashDont@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The right are perpetually angry. They are angry when they win and angry when they lose. It's a hallmark of their cult. There's no pleasing these people because they don't know what they're angry about, they just prefer to be angry.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Every fascist needs an enemy. The threat is required to rally around their flag and blame someone else for their failures. When there's no obvious threat in sight, it has to be produced - else there's no other way to maintain popularity among subordinates while also sanctioning them.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 71 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Seeing Bernie speak truth to power is incredibly refreshing, especially since he points the finger not at the voting public, but at his own team mates, who absolutely did drop the ball multiple times.

I hope people actually take his words on board.

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

A lot of my in-laws are Trump supporters, but do you know who they support more than Trump? Bernie. They want a lot of the same things that progressives do. Obviously there are Trump supporters that are racists and fascists, but I'd bet the majority just want a better deal for the working class, and they fell for Trump's promise that he's the one to do it.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Blaming the voting public does nothing other than to help us feel better about ourselves. "It's not our fault, the people are just stupid and naive. They were always going to vote for Trump, there's nothing else we could have done". It's what we've been doing the past three election cycles and it isn't working.

We can't make them change. Change only comes from within. We can't keep telling them they're better off with us. We need to pass legislation so that the average, uniformed voter can see it for themselves.

[–] humblebun@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

That's one thing that I like about grandpa style lefties and don't like about Lemmy: blaming trumpists for wanting a change in the political system. Lemmy and MAGA crowd share common fears about the future and have absolutely different solutions.

Why the fuck one wants to highlight the difference and not the thing that's in common. People achieve unimaginable results when working together.

[–] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I want Bernie for president and I'm not even American.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

We tried. And almost got him. But then the DNC Services Corp rigged the game against us to stop him.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I’ve said this before but the DNC is actually just another wing of the Oligarchy. They exist to provide a fabricated conflict so that people think it’s a divide based on ideals, not on class divide it truly is. Look at the wealth of all of the leaders in the DNC. It’s pretty much the same circles and wealth as the RNC.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] notsure@fedia.io 44 points 2 weeks ago

....something, something, Bernie warned us about this in a video 20 years ago, something, something, status quo.....

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 44 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

I think the Democrats are too far right, but that's not what lost them the election. What lost them the election is that voters think the President controls the price of groceries, and if cheaper groceries means killing a lot of brown people, that's a small price to pay.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump is going to prove that the President controls the price of groceries by enacting tariffs on imported food and getting rid of all the people who catch, raise, and harvest our food. He's going to make grocery prices go through the roof.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm sure that will be blamed on someone else. Probably trans people.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

It's a toss up between them or the "illegals." While they do hate trans people, it's a more convincing argument for people who aren't complete idiots to say it's because of an increased demand caused by non-citizens taking resources from patriotic American citizens™

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is so incredibly refreshing to hear someone with (however limited) power say what I've been seeing with the naked eye.

A four-hour drive through rural America last week showed me this: trump signs in the very poorest and the very richest yards, for miles and miles. There was the occasional Harris sign for obviously middle-class dwellings but not all.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

He describes the plight of these people correctly, and while they haven't been offered enough by the dems, they aren't choosing the republicans because they are offering them more. They're choosing them because they fear change and the Republicans promise to protect them from change. The fear comes from ignorance / lack of a decent rural education system.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I’m tired of being told how awesome the economy is. It’s great for the rich, but the cost of necessities like housing, food, and healthcare has outpaced the CPI, so we all feel worse. A cheaper big screen tv doesn’t help much if you can’t afford the basics.

Aggregate economic data only says so much. Lots of INDIVIDUAL people are suffering. While the CPI is one basket of products, everyone has their own, and this everyone has their own rate of inflation. So saying wages have kept up with inflation is a fallacy on 2 fronts. Some saw income outpace the CPI, others it did not and they’ve lost income. But even among the former group, everyone had a personal rate of inflation that may well be higher than the CPI.

Instead, the wealthy and politicians look at averages and medians and assume it’s just negative feelings. But we were alive in the 90s. We were alive in the early 2000s. We know about the 50s and 60s. We know the economy used to be better for working people. We want better.

Trump, of course, will not deliver that. But Harris didn’t inspire confidence she would, either.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My wife is a teacher, so we use her healthcare, but I still peek in at the healthcare at my job when enrollment comes along, just to be diligent.

It went up 20% this year, from $600 to $720. If you make $30K a year and got a 3% cost of living adjustment, you make less this year than last year from healthcare alone.

Food, gas, rent, cars, childcare, utilities, everything is up. I guess it's cool that US steel or something might be doing well, and the stock market is up, but that minimally affects the day to day of most people.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

My raises, baring promotion, are 2% a year. I did the math. I’ve lost $10,000 a year to inflation at this point. In aggregate it’s around $22,000 at this point.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And yet every newscast has a stock ticker. Even NPR gives the stock index ratings several times a day.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

America needs more people like Bernie, too bad Republicans and Democrats are hopeless and don’t get it

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (44 children)

The Democratic party has failed us. We need an actual workers party and we have about 3 years to build it.

Join PSL if you have not already

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[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He’s spot-on. I’m pissed and do want change.

[–] Blackmist 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Both sides do.

It's just a shame that was the only real option on the ballot.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think Bernie is giving too much credit to Americans. IMO the election doesn't show that the Dems abandoned anybody, it shows that half the voters in the country are fucking idiots. To help them you would have to trick them into letting you. Unfortunately most people with that ability are assholes who are only going to use the amorphous mass of stupidity for their own benefit.

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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 9 points 2 weeks ago

How can this man be so based. The world simply didn't deserve him.

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