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I just cannot fathom how they think there are enough of us to matter, and how we have any meaningful political power at all. The enemy is both strong and weak. The enemy is laughable, yet an omnipresent threat. Obsession with a plot, often international. Like just say "Judeo-Bolsheviks" if that's what you want to say.

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[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 75 points 3 months ago (6 children)

homicidal fuckface

there's something disturbingly infantalizing with the way these libs talk. real Tommy needy drinky energy.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 59 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Right? And like, I bet you nickles to dollars she's talking about some made up bullshit instead of, like, the extremely well documented great purge or transportation of Ethnic Germans after the war.

Like, did Stalin do crimes? Yes. Does anyone whining about Stalin's crimes ever talk about any historical fuck up that Stalin actually made? Never. 0% of the time. It has literally never happened. It's always bullshit about the 1932 famine or mysteriously completely undocumented anti-semitism or some bullshit.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago

Smdh you hexbear tankies don't believe in the evil of stalin

My great great grandfather fled Poland to Germany in 1941 and he told me that Stalin once gathered everyone in Russia into Red Fash Square and plucked a chicken of all its feathers while feeding it to show just how evil he was

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the extremely well documented great purge

People talk about the Great Purge all the time, what are you talking about?

Personally, my reading is that he was negligent in stopping it but it was a slaughter perpetrated by Yezhov, acting as a world-historical wrecker, but there's a distressing lack of documentation about his trial (and the investigations/interrogations surrounding it) that has been released from the archives. It's possible that he was tortured and it's all bullshit, but Yagoda was clearly documented to be an actual opposition bloc ally at the time of his heading the NKVD, so clearly things like that are possible.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, there are some documents indicating that stalin was somewhat aware of the scale of purge (e.g. we found 5k wreckers in local party - you know what to do, signed), and yezhov got got over being gay, unless i mistake him with someone else (and if i remember right, he never admitted guilt over purge itself (in that it was out of scale, not that it didn't happen))

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll just trust you on the first part. I know Stalin got complaints (which also indicated that the scale was pretty big) and didn't act on them, and that's why I said he was negligent. If I remember right, Yezhov was honey-potted by a foreign power* and it used that to blackmail him (though of course sodomy was on the list of charges), but he absolutely was convicted on the basis of being a wrecker and trying to damage the SU by killing many people to destabilize it. Whether it is true that he was a wrecker or he was actually just a fall guy for a reckless operation, I don't know. He definitely did also at one point admit to what he was ultimately convicted of, though he later claimed that he only did so under torture and was in fact innocent of most of those charges.

Per NATOpedia:

In his confession, Yezhov admitted to the standard litany of state crimes necessary to mark him as an "enemy of the people" prior to execution, including "wrecking", official incompetence, theft of government funds, and treasonous collaboration with German spies and saboteurs. Apart from these political crimes, he was also accused of and confessed to a humiliating history of sexual promiscuity, including homosexuality, rumors that were later deemed true by some post-Soviet examinations of the case.

On 2 February 1940, Yezhov was tried behind closed doors by the Military Collegium, chaired by Soviet judge Vasiliy Ulrikh. Yezhov, like his predecessor Yagoda, maintained to the end his love for Stalin. Yezhov denied being a spy, a terrorist, or a conspirator, stating that he preferred "death to telling lies". He maintained that his previous confession had been obtained under torture, admitted that he had purged 14,000 of his fellow Chekists, but said that he was surrounded by "enemies of the people".

Again, I think the truth of the matter is unclear due to the relevant archival evidence not being open, but this is what the story is.

*I thought that was him but I'm having trouble finding it. I don't think it was Yagoda, even though he too seemed to be what we would call bi, but it definitely happened to someone . . .

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

Millennial libs have a weird fixation of talking like a big baby with the excessive cursing and words like “adulting.”

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If I wanted to vote for a homicidal fuckface I'd write in Alec Baldwin.

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[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 58 points 3 months ago

Everyday I’m scuttling duck-dance

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago

I used to be a loyal progressive democrat, I used to vote blue every year, I used to not want to be blamed for their loss which was entirely their fault for running a right wing campaign for a terrible candidate, I used to make excuses for them and for me cheems

Now I fucking want them to blame me swole-doge

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They're already blaming the left for Trump winning. lol, lmao


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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mock the left if we win and blame the left if we lose is the playbook

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago

parenti-hands Non-falsifiable orthodoxy! Non-falsifiable orthodoxy!

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

i wonder what this is going to look like on the lemmyverse; i expect brigading, bans and defederations at a minimum.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Muslims and queer people, too.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

And I'll fucking do it again!

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These smug fucks make me wish for a Trump victory. They deserve it.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Best result, Kamala wins but loses the Popular vote. (actually the best result is a split college followed by the White house spontaneously exploding.)

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Another pretty good outcome is Trump wins, dies on election night, and then there's a Boater Civil War where the two factions ("JD Vance is Trump's rightful heir" and "JD Vance killed Trump") kill each other.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

The democrats then all solemnly walk in to the sea so as not to create the appearance of partisanship.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago

followed by the White house spontaneously exploding

Something something Reichstag something second time a farce

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Scuttling implies the ship was unsalvageable, so...

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago

And there's more from where that came from libstankie

[–] Des@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

everything is a spooky conspiracy now. people are divining meaning from every tidbit of information.

Carl Sagan's Daemon Haunted World was pure prophecy

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Drives me bonkers bc I'll talk about some completely unbelievable looney tunes cartoon villain shit and people will be "uhh that's a conspiracy theory" and then I'll start crying and pull up the org's website where there mission statement is "we do completely unbelievable looney tunes cartoon villain shit which is totally legal and thus does not count as a conspiracy"

[–] Des@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

it's just no fun to "do your own research" when the research is just presented as a first hand source by the perpetrators of the conspiracy

they want the New Game + not the easy mode because everything is a form of warped entertainment-cope stalin-stressed

[–] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I maintain that the batshit conspiracy theories were cultivated and amplified by three letter agencies and the like for the express purpose of poisoning the well with regards to the actual real conspiracies that did and do happen. Now whenever you talk about these looney tunes cartoon villain shit crimes and events, it's easy as fuck for anyone to write you off as you yourself being looney with with "that's just a conspiracy theory" as if conspiracies don't happen. But look people, conspiracies do happen. All the fucking time. And it's open knowledge that cannot be denied, it's even admitted to. "That's a conspiracy theory" is not a remotely valid reason for thinking it didn't happen! Meanwhile the false batshit stuff gets pushed relentlessly at every opportunity, even into mainstream pop culture, and that's what ends up getting treated with a "hmmm, well maybe" by the same people who will scoff at you for trying to tell them of real things that can be verified. It's truly maddening.

Popular belief that all conspiracy theories are each just "a conspiracy theory" is itself a conspiracy.
(And like all conspiracies, when you try to explain this, you're disregarded for pedaling in conspiracy theories.)

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

fwiw; i think that they bother at all is that they're afraid we're going to influence the liberals somehow so it doesn't matter that we're too few to affect anything and more so that they see us a threat to their "way of life." (whatever tf that means)

[–] LigOleTiberal@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

their way of life is living off of the labor of the rest of the world like vampires.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

inshallah-script the next one will be the kill shot

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I also learned recently that "beyond the pale" is an antisemitic term.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

I thought it was referring to English vs Irish parts of Ireland

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Is it "beyond the pale of settlement?" I'd wondered but i never looked it up.

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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

my ancestors would like a word with them

You mean your great grandpappy who fought soviets? stalin-gun-1 stalin-gun-2

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

"Weimer"

Had to squint there.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 months ago

Antitankies using fascist rhetorical tools? Who would have thought

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anyone that says ancestors immediately goes into my "probably a eugenics freak" sorting folder.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

phantom-thieves

Idk why a phantom thieves emoji comes up when I type "calipers"

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

It's such funny and obvious doublethink. "No you can't influence the dems, you're foolish for thinking your tiny group matters at all." + "If you and yours don't vote for the dems, then they WILL lose the election."

[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

who the hell are these people because my ancestors want to have a word with them.

My ancestors this, my ancestors that, I piss on your ancestors. Like as if, we supposed to honour people now just because they're dead. Like as if, this woman has a direct line of communication with her dead nazi grandad or whatever. "Oh my ancestors woulda felt bad about this." Don't care, doubtless to say they'd also boil their piss about gay marriage or desegregated schools as well.

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

deleted by creator for going too far

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

fascism indirectly causes tankies, deal with it.

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