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I'd rather have a more honed argument than what I provided. I hate the arrogance and presumptiveness and bubble-world aspects of "don't say 'cis' because normal is just normal" grillman style arguments so I'm seeing red here.

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[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cis people are anything but normal. No group that contains such a vast number of utter perverts who obsess over what random strangers could have in their pants deserves that designation. Nobody who has seen how unbelievably weird these freaks can get as soon as a trans person happens to merely exist in their vicinity would ever call cis people as a group normal.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It is a question of Boolean logic and linguistic clarity. All cis women are women but not all women are cis. All trans women are women but not all women are trans.

Most of the time the distinction between cis and trans is irrelevant so you dont mention it, other times the general gender category is not precise enough so you mention the more specific trans or cis categories to communicate clearly and precisely.

Insisting on not using the term cis is as nonsensical as insisting not to use the word car because a car is the "normal" motorised vehicle and only "anomalies" like motorcycles and trucks should have their own specific identifiers.

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago

friend-visitor-1 "How'd you get here?"

"The normal way." friend-visitor-2

friend-visitor-3

Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[–] GiveOver 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you really want to help them though you should understand that, for the people making this argument, probably 99.99% of people in their lives are cis. If 99.99% of travel was done by car, then yes it would be the "normal" way of travel and there'd be no need to distinguish.

Maybe a better example would be EVs? We've never needed to specify an "ICE" car before because they've had dominance. Now though, EVs are becoming more common and all of a sudden what used to be just a "car" is an ICE car. It was always an ICE car but there was never a need to say it because nobody ever had EVs. Well, not anymore! And same for gender.

[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the cynical part of me thinks this person already made up their mind and the best thing you can do is call them a shithead and be on your way. they're fighting ghosts for literally no reason

[–] miz@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

the framing of "normal" reminded me of this passage

Whiteness is also an imaginary concept and a figment of the racist imagination, of course, but that doesn’t make it any less real, or deadly; whiteness is a thing because people insist that it is, and use force and violence to make it so. Whiteness is a thing because white supremacists needed a name for their violent subjugation of others, and so they gave it one. In this way, whiteness is a uniquely virulent and pathological form of social identity. It cannot survive its loss of supremacy; it cannot abide competition or mixture or “impurity.” Created by racial slavery and given a second wind by European imperialism, whiteness depends on the violent subordination of all others. Celebrate your Irish heritage if you must, or your Pennsylvania Dutch grandparents; that has nothing to do with the whiteness that names me, now, but which (partially) excluded my Irish and German ancestors when they came to this nation. Irish and Pennsylvania Dutch can and will survive incorporation into a multi-ethnic nation, but it is the sine qua non of whiteness that it cannot and will not. Inextricable from racial subordination, whiteness has no other content at all: whiteness is what’s left in the melting pot after everything else has been burned away. Without that xenophobic fire, it has no meaning, no substance, no fundamental.

This is why “white genocide” actually does have a meaning beyond “racial integration.” If you take away a white person’s ability to live as the undisputed master of the universe—to take his own experience as normal and privileged, and to presume all others to be debased copies of his own primary existence—then you take away his whiteness.

from Buffalo Skulls

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

That quote makes anti-cracker-aktion qin-shi-huangdi-fireball even more appealing now, thank you for your service o7

[–] rhubarb@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The real reason for the argument is that they do not want to give trans people a higher stage of social recognition, which has happened to other minorities before. Maybe pointing out that people said the exact same thing about the term "straight" would work? It is also pretty easy to make fun of them by making them say they are not cis, and then acting like they just came out to you.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

answer in my head:

"how compelling, now please face the wall"

real answer:

sex and gender are different, trying to lump them in together with everything else as straight, yet later in the same post they complain about people using literally when it means figuratively, pick a lane

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

They always get it all wrong. There are normal people, and then there are cis people.

[–] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’d hit ‘em with one of these:

PIGPOOPBALLS

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

Cis comes from Latin meaning 'this side of'. Trans comes from Latin meaning 'other side of.'.

Shut the fuck up you special little bigot.

[–] Poogona@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

sometimes when I read posts here that say something like "cis people are so fucked up they all do x" I get this reactionary jolt where I'm like "hey that's not fair I don't do that, don't paint us all as--"

Then I blink and realize I'm literally just being extremely uncool and humorless and literally doing exactly what the memer is saying "we" do by reacting that way to the slightest bit of teasing.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

Common is a more accurate and meaningful word than normal in this context

[–] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, having read the link, fuck em. Hit em with a "you would have hated the word 'straight' 20 years ago" or give em a PPB. There's nothing else for it, they should be bullied until they shut the fuck up and crawl back into whatever reactionary hole they crawled out of.

Edit: well, ok, they do try to argue they're cool with "straight" but they don't see why "cis" has to exist when "straight" already does. But like, that's so wrongheaded I think it can be dismissed immediately. Maybe with a "so do you think trans people are never straight or what?"

[–] Deinonychus@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Wow, tankies openly organising harassment and brigading of an innocent person simply for sharing their opinion. Authoritarian much? smuglord

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

if somebody is otherwise solid on trans* issues they might be grumbling about being called cis because they don't strongly identify with their assigned gender

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

People often use normal when what they are describing is the average, theyre boring, how sad!