It's one thing to suggest this kind of thing in opposition but it's a bit cheeky after 14 years of Tory misrule where they cut public services and hammered local councils.
this post was submitted on 26 Oct 2024
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Absolutely, they had many years to achieve that and its only now when election was lost that they make noise.
Not just the last one - this has been going on for decades.
To be fair, he wasn't the government.
Some of those ideas are rather good. No way it'll work though as people are just entitled arseholes now and don't care about anyone but themselves.
Did Tory MP forgot they ruled UK for a few terms now?
Apparently so. Weird that.
I guess emotional trauma from losing an election will do that.
I'm sold on the no music on public transport thing, having some basic consideration for the people around you should be mandatory.
Yeah but the "instant, large fines" are going to be difficult. Especially if your ringtone is a song...
The trees idea was nice. The rest is very typical grievance politics.
It would be pretty obvious if someone's phone is ringing versus them listening to music.
Also, confiscate the device until the fine is paid.
The phone? The actual device most people use to access their money?
Nobody's going to bat for antisocial behaviour here, but we would need more of a think about the practicalities of such a law.
Yeah! But who enforces it. Bus drivers have enough shit to deal with. Plus, do we really want non law enforcement issuing fines.
They have police on public transport in the UK, no reason we can't do it here.
Only on trains not busses. And this is talking about the UK.
And even on trains transportation police have limited power / jurisdiction. Yes, if this was discussing fines for music on trains they would do it, We already have train carriages that require this. The transportation police can kick folks off, but it rarely happens. Due to lack of police.
But this MP was specifically talking about buses. No, we do not have police on buses just a single driver sometimes but very rarely a ticket collector or inspector but again with no legal power past calling the police.
He said the most effective way to tackle anti-social behaviour was probably to catch offenders in the act, something that would require more police officers.
But, he added, politicians usually prefer to opt for the "cheaper" option of increasing the severity of the punishment, such as fines, rather than employing more officers to enforce the rules.
So close. The most effective way to tackle anti-social behaviour might be to address the causes of antisocial behaviour. But that would be even more expensive than just hiring more coppers.
No tory is going to believe that.
It's pretty much a key element of conservative politics. That people are positioned as their worth allows.
The whole concept that a personal status is the fault of society rather than the individual is opposed to their whole being. Hence, why they feel fixing such situations is giving advantages to the undeserving rather than creating equality.
What do you mean "again"? Name one period of history where people didn't spit on the floor, leave trash around or inconvenience other people.
If he wants a world where everything is clean and everyone behaves, that's not regression, that's progress, he'd be making it a reality for the first time. The fact that he thinks people used to behave better in the past is quintessential conservative nostalgia goggles.