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Fuck you Bernie (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by CleverOleg@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net
 

Link to his tweet

You know, my plan when Bernie eventually dies, was to not exactly celebrate; but more to reflect that, yeah even though he ended up being a liberal Zionist piece of shit I respect the fact that he started something that got many of us on the pipeline.

But fuck that, now I will be doing crab dances when he dies and piss on his grave.

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 112 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"There is now no justification"

"There is now no justification"

"There is now no justification"

There never was any justification for the genocide you fucking chauvinist western imperialist. Fuck you Bernie.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 83 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is now no justification

Bernie you should be embarrassed for believing this flimsy pretext in the first place. shameless the way this liberal zionist filth tries to pin essential crimes of the zionist project on Netanyahu alone

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 80 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 71 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Easily much higher. They stopped counting very early on when the infrastructure to actually officially recognise deaths crumbled. Lancet published a review a month or two ago that said the real number was likely around 130-180k

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The did the same thing in Yemen. They stopped counting a year or two in and the number remained static.

Like what the fuck?

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

They did that with covid deaths in the US, too

[–] git@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)

42,000 confirmed. Israel has destroyed the civilian infrastructure that does the counting. It’s easily in the hundreds of thousands by now.

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago

120,000 is the low estimate

[–] diego_maradona@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

so dishonest

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 70 points 2 months ago
[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Parenti was right about Bernie all along. As well as everything else.

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I thought they were friends. What did he say about Bernie?

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 67 points 2 months ago (1 children)

BERNIE AND ME by Michael Parenti

People have asked me what I think of the Bernie Sanders campaign. Bernie and I used to be close political friends up in Vermont in the early 1970s. We ran together on a third party ticket (the Liberty Union Party). I ran for the U.S. House of Representatives and Bernie ran for the U.S. Senate. (I got 7% of the vote; he got 3 or 4%--but who's counting.)

Bernie stayed in Vermont. I wanted to write rather than run for office in one-sided campaigns. So I spent the years writing books, articles, teaching courses, giving interviews, doing guest lectures all over the country, and marching in demonstrations. But I remained good friends with Bernie. I gave him moral and monetary support in his successful campaigns for Mayor of Burlington, then U.S. House of Representatives.

But I eventually broke with him because of his position on the Yugoslavia war, the "humanitarian war" as Bill Clinton and his national security state people called it. As did many liberals and some Trotskyites and anarchists, Bernie stood shoulder to shoulder with NATO and the CIA and the Clinton White House in the destruction of Yugoslavia, the 78 days of bombing, drenching Serbia in depleted uranium, leaving Serbia with the highest cancer rate in Europe and breaking up Yugoslavia, one of the best social democracies in Europe, though not without its serious blemishes.

Today, I wish Bernie the best. He is a Democrat although he calls himself a socialist and an independent. But he takes very good stands on Social Security, human services, and curbing the banksters. However, he has voiced not a word about what his foreign policy might be. I suspect it has not improved. I will most likely not be voting for him. Probably I will support some third-party candidate who will run a hard hopeless campaign---of the kind we used to do in Vermont years ago. ----MICHAEL PARENTI

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Trotskyists, anarchists and "progressives" supporting the bombing of Serbia. Not much has changed, huh?

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They used to be at least, Bernie's support for the bombing of Yugoslavia changed Parenti's opinion of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNQEHbusSA

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 61 points 2 months ago

Bold for a US senator to be calling anyone else a war criminal flattened-bernie stalin-gun-1stalin-gun-2

[–] miz@hexbear.net 60 points 2 months ago (2 children)

a few months post Al-Aqsa Flood when it became clear Bernie wasn't going to use the term "genocide", I trashed most of the Bernie campaign materials left from 2020. I had boxes of stuff. the only thing I held onto was a nice full-zip Bernie campaign hoodie. It's one of the few things I haven't thrown out but now I have the impulse to burn it because there's no context in which I can imagine wearing it again

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You could always stich 'Fuck' onto it

[–] miz@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

hmm maaaaybe, but then people might think it's a Trump sweatshirt because it says 2020 underneath the Bernie

maybe if I also add "social imperialist and genocide enabler" underneath.

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Leftist meme sweater

Do the entire text of Fisher on capitalist realism

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I ended up with some free swag for [extremely ghoulish corporation] that I've held onto in the hopes that I could find a very funny situation to wear it, so there's always that angle. I realize that it's a lot more painful to hold on to something that you once felt proud of, though.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I have a CIA pen in my drawer for that exact reason. Only corpo swag I use are stickers from small places like Goulet pens, and a Hudson River trading sticker that says "code with hrt".

[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same, one depressing but also funny part of going to STEM exclusive job fairs is that I have a lot of swag from military and weapons contractors I try to use ironically.

I remember putting chiquita stickers on a CIA booth at one of those. Good times.

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[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 months ago

i hate how true this is and how much of a fucking idiot i was to ever believe in Bernie

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago

We need to stop crediting Bernie with making people socialist. It's great man theory and it's anti-materialist bs. Bernie did not invent socialism. He was just the guy who capitalised on a lot of people feeling dissolutioned and turning toward left-wing ideas. Many of us would have found our way to the left without Bernie. If it wasn't him it would have been one of the numerous "left tubers" cropping up around the same time, or the actual left parties trying to assert a presence or some other SocDem grifter trying to convince people that the liberal party is the path to socialism.

In reality, the "Bernie moment" has been a road block for far more people than a pipeline. He claimed what he was selling was socialism and people fell for it and now everyone's dissolutioned, waiting for the next Bernie or else still trying to work within the party that screwed him. He got a lot of people who could have been genuinely radicalised in a period of economic turmoil to hitch their wagon to the "progressive wing" of the DNC and they're not letting go.

Bernie killed leftist momentum in the US. He didn't ignite it. It began with Occupy and it was derailed by his bullshit grifting. Guy should have just run as DSA or independent ffs. He's right-wing for a SocDem ffs.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 53 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

thank god for the labels, I'd be lost otherwise

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[–] Barx@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago
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[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago

Like any 'left' zionist, he is

seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some {western chauvinist} side swipe

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You automatically win the war if you kill the enemy king.

A leader is a king; people need to be ruled, it's human nature. Nothing works unless there's 1 person in command of literally everything.

Everybody knows this, it's all common knowledge.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

did.. did CHESS LIED TO ME?? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ♚♗♞

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[–] RION@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Probably low on the list to dunk on things here but the 1200 "innocents" figure always irks me. 300-400 were soldiers! Literally the least innocent thing you can be from a warfare standpoint

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

yeah, and also I notice when talking about the kibbutzim that were hit, there is

  1. a pretty dark and arbitrary conflation that "these were secular peace activists some of those people would drive Gazans to get healthcare" as if the same Gazans who got hospital rides were the same fighters who raided the kibbutzim, and also
  2. that kibbutzim are treated like small rural collective farm communities with no strategic significance for an anti-occupation struggle, which even erasing the historical occupation context, that kibbutzim were settler-colonial projects backed by armed militias (which you shouldn't do); many kibbutzim are also often very very wealthy and even have big industrial manufacturing and high technology enterprises and large-scale privatized industrial agriculture. I think something like 40% of Israeli polity's agricultural food produce come from kibbutzim and nearly 10% of industrial output in general. And one of the kibbuttzim that was raided is the wealthiest kibbutz in the entire territory of Israel polity (I forget which one by name when I was reading up on it).

When looked at from this point of view, as an asymmetrical anti-colonial struggle compared to any other in history, this is aspect of the raid is all pretty banal and straightforward.

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[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

It's a fundamental issue, Bernie showing his ass on it either means he considers Israelis ontologically innocent, or he is deeply lazy and dishonest figure who abandons any gesture towards integrity to instead appeal to American fascism.

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[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

okay guys but look, he's using a green and white letterhead, it's clearly a coded message, he's flying Hamas colors which means he's writing this against his will, he can still win angery

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

Irrelevant old fart stfu challenge

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

Zionism, not even once

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

NOW, MOTHERFUCKER?

NOW THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION?

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

oh, NOW there's no justification. before this, totally cool and ok. but now? RED LINE.

[–] OptimusSubprime@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Fuck off, Bernie

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

I cant even muster the strength to be mad anymore. This shit just bounces off me. I'm just like oh, the old man said something Zionist again. Ok.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

To reiterate something Felix tweeted months ago, I can't wait till he fucking dies

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But fuck that, now I will be doing crab dances when he dies and piss on his grave.

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