Why don't you just let the Invisible Hand of the Market roll the boulder uphill?
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Yes, being crushed by the weight of your own poor arguments, comprehension, and philosophy is probably quite an accurate way to describe arguing against a communist.
You can argue with communists, you can't argue with fanboys or those who accepted Marx as the one and true Messiah and tell you to read ze book instead of providing any points. But that's applicable to pretty much every topic (oop bad, for example).
I'm happy to hear this coming from someone on ml. At least some of you still possess the ability to reason.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not exactly into Marxism-Leninism, I'm more of an anarchist myself (the idea of dictatorship, be it of a working class or anyone else, doesn't sit right with me). And ml was chosen at the time just due to it being hosted by the Lemmy devs
The Dictatorship of the Proletariat isn't a literal dictatorship, but an establishment of Proletarian supremacy over Capital. It's still democratic.
Allrighty, a poor choice of words, then. What I meant was more or less along the lines of "while I like the idea of communism, I think maintaining vertical power structures while trying to make it happen is more or less doomed to result in yet another autocracy"
You may be interested in the article Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the "Worker's Paradise?" Marxists disagree with the idea that AES states are autocracies, while acknowledging that AES certainly isn't a wonderland.
Additionally, Marxists don't have an issue with hierarchy, but classes. The Marxist and Anarchist notions of the state are different, and as such judging AES by how well it advanced goals it never had is a bit silly.
Tnx, will check it out!
No problem! Let me know if you have any questions, it's a short article so it's lighter on details for tangentially related topics for the sake of brevity.
The dictatorship of the proletarist refers to the reversal of class dynamics in which the working class becomes the ruling class of a country and by necessity oppresses the owner class (e.g. expropriation of factories). It is not literal dictators.
Lemmy was created by communists and the ml instance is administered by them.
Yeah I got a pretty nauseating explanation of "The June 4th Incident"
The authoritarian left and the liberal left have so little in common that it's frustrating the term "left" encompasses both.
The "authoritarian" left is just the framework of every revolution that actually won. There is a very special kind of Western detached romantic chauvinist "left" that believes only in failed and failing pure leftism and tragedy and is shocked and outraged at what it means to win, to establish defenses, to keep a nation or nations running.
There is no liberal left. Liberals are the mainstream political and are by definition conservative under global capitalism.
Many of those aforementioned nations aren't exactly still running, though.
Frequently targeted by the states these precious purity "leftists" live in. And that is not coincidental.
Depends a lot on where you live. In many countries, communism is simply considered "radical/violent" rather than "authoritarian", and one is not considered a leftist of any sort unless they defend a leftist stance on the economy (progressive views on social issues may not be described as leftist everywhere).
And the authoritarians try to reconcile this issue by saying we liberals are actually on the right. How wonderful!
To be clear, you were saying Capitalism is left wing. They are using Liberal, as in Libertarian, not as in the actual meaning of Liberal as in Capitalist.
Ain't gonna argue with you bro
There is a difference.
A lot of people who claim to be liberal, just aren't left wing. The good example is the FDP party in Germany.
To quote Wikipedia: The FDP's political position has variously been described as centrist, centre-right, and right-wing. The FDP has been described as liberal, conservative-liberal, classical-liberal, and liberal-conservative. Other sources have described the party as libertarian or right-libertarian.
There are left wing liberals, but don't act like they usually call themselves liberal.
It's a simple fact.
One must find the anti-communist happy in their prison/punishment for being despotic, because they continue to repeat the same hypothetical thing everytime?
Can someone ban this homophobe already?
They have been, they just make alts.
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