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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 94 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] Cammy@hexbear.net 66 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On its own is bad enough, but then starting with "I'm an entrepreneur first and executions are a hobby," makes it that much worse.

I have a morbid curiosity about what he sells because I think that would be incredibly informative.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Selling bits of rope and clothing taken off his victims as good luck charms.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

Bigger red flag than being the guy that releases the rope for guillotines

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

yeah, usually that is enough of a red flag...

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] RION@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

At least it's not lethal injection 🙃

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah obligatory reminder that there's no clean way to kill

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

Idk, the guillotine is a egalitarian way at least. The world could use a whole lot more guillotines.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Oh very true. But of the currently available methods I think I'd prefer decapitation to anything else except nitrogen or similar inert gas

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Look into the recent gas executions in America, they are horribly botched. People writhing and coughing for minutes before dying.

Beheading sounds solid, living for a moment as just a head seems more interesting than suffocating for minutes.

Might I suggest some alternatives?

Perhaps being tied to a lightning rod on a blimp as you sail through a storm cloud? Or maybe a forced march through a minefield? Polevault into a volcano? MMA match against a bear, with winner gaining their freedom?

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I’m still so confused about those botched gas ones. That should be an effective and painless method. I’m really not sure what happened.

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

From what I've read, it's due to the fact that they're strapping a mask to their faces. The exhaled gasses have nowhere to go, it mixes with the inert gas, and doesn't cause a loss of consciousness as quickly as intended.

They would need to place the condemned in a chamber that fills with the inert, heavier than air, gas quickly, with a relief valve at the highest point to release breathable oxygen. If they flood the chamber quickly enough, the victim will barely be conscious long enough to wonder why the air is a little colder before they black out.

I think they should use a helmet, and give the condemned a choice between motorcycle, astronaut, or old timey diving helm. Make the execution a little more fun, ya know?

[–] edge@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

From what I've read, it's due to the fact that they're strapping a mask to their faces. The exhaled gasses have nowhere to go, it mixes with the inert gas, and doesn't cause a loss of consciousness as quickly as intended.

Even if they managed the exhaled CO2 correctly (wtf they didn't?!), that requires the CO2 to actually be exhaled. But someone who doesn't want to die that's being killed by asphyxiation is naturally going to hold their breath, which means the CO2 stays in them, ruining the whole point.

Inert gas seems like a great choice for a self elected procedure, but could probably never go well for execution, because the theory of why it works (asphyxiation without the CO2 buildup that causes pain) requires cooperation.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean "ideally" they'd be totally put under so they can't hold their breath. But the cruelty is the point and so forth

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

then you might as well kill them with the drugs used to put them under. but they can't get very many medical professionals or medicine companies to go along with that

I guess intubation would work but again intubation by non professionals would probably be extremely painful and cruel

[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

If they had done it in a chamber as opposed to a mask, holding their breath would give more time for the oxygen to be displaced, so that first desperate gasp as their lungs could bear no longer, would be pure nitrogen and they'd be unconscious fairly quickly.

But, like another responder said, cruelty is the point.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Oh yeah that would be an issue. When I first heard about it I was picturing a similar setup to the nitrogen chambers used for like hypoxia practice for pilots? It’s a whole room that fills with nitrogen, you don’t even know that anything is wrong, you just start getting confused and then pass out if it goes on long enough

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago

It makes more sense when you realize that the cruelty is the point.

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

There's always the chance that you remain conscious for a while as a disembodied head though, which is why I choose high explosives

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't get it. Why not just get shot to the back of the head, quick and simple? It's always been the most humanitarian and simple solution for fascists, and I feel like it's probably not a bad way to go for myself.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My honest reaction to that information:

But for real there's a surprising amount of room for error with guns. Guillotine is incredibly reliable as far as executions go

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is a lot of room for error, but I'd still rather take the 5% chance of a botched death by a shot to the back of the head than the much more stress inducing process of being put into a guillotine.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

5% is quite high. And maybe I'm just an oddball but I think I'd take some solace from being guillotine'd since it's got such interesting cultural context

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

yeah honestly firing squad seems fine. Or maybe we stop executing people outside of exigent/extreme circumstances, idk

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

just throw me in front of a concrete wall and shoot me please. It's such a vibe

[–] edge@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

At least? Injection at least theoretically can be quick and painless with the right chemicals, we do it for pets with little problem. Beheading leaves the bodyless head alive for a couple seconds.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

The chemicals they use for pet euthanasia are different than lethal injection for human execution

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] barf@vegantheoryclub.org 3 points 2 months ago

Murders and executions/mergers and acquisitions tomato/tomato

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

they found the guy that bonesawed khashoggi

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah, he's just the executioner. He has that entrepreneurial spirit where he comes in for the action parts or "fun parts," claims all credit for everything while dipping out and leaving the cleanup (bonesawing) for some other poor schlub.

[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

Me applying on LinkedIn for Tandoori Chef at the Saudi Embassy clueless

[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Genius show, it's a shame I can't find anyone irl who's heard about it

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

I tried to get some people to watch it with me when it came out but I didn't have a lot of luck

I'll revisit soon

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

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[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

When you're 5'10" everyone says "gotta be over 6 feet." When you're 6'1" do they say "why not 6'4" "?

Feels like a bit of monkey paw.

And yes, this is cope.

[–] Cammy@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

Well that's terrifying.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Exe claim on d1? Obvious godfather, jailor exe this

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

You used to be able to be a man and an executioner without being judged. You can't now because of choke