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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There’s a large number of people out there that think “everything sucks right now and there’s a democrat president, so to make things different I should vote republican”

Fund schools. Keep the department of Education in existence and quadruple its funding.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You should be against genocide and not vote for genociders.

[–] Spot@startrek.website 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And since enough dumbasses are actually putting forward enough effort to show there is a frighteningly high backing for a candidate that will prevent any presidential voting in the future, I'm gonna have to break my record and vote for one of the major 2 parties for this election.

One of these 2 WILL WIN THE US ELECTION. There is no pretending that, this close to polling date, that there is any other outcome.

We need to start locally and push harder for reforms from there up. Only one of the 2 party systems will allow this in our future at the moment. This is just the sad and horrible truth we face at the moment.

If we really think the system has failed us and will not let us break free of the 2 party bullshit, well, then we need to be better educated and better organized. We have internet and advanced messaging technology. Our past is riddled with those who made amazing changes and voiced mass public opinion with way less.

Knowledge is power. Protect and enhance the education to really power change.

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Only one of the 2 party systems will allow this in our future at the moment

The Dems sued to remove the PSL from the ballot in my state

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If you want people to work from the bottom up to achieve the necessary changes to prevent this country from being genocidal you will rapidly discover that neither the Democratic nor Republican parties can be that vehicle. They are our enemies and work against us, only dithering with cynical PR and pandering to avoid losing without actually needing to deliver on any demands. Unprincipled attempts to enter and change the Democrats on their terms leads to alienation or cooption, e.g. "the squad" supporting Israel or getting destroyes by capital.

Rather than support a genocoder, please do the actual change work. At least then you can see it fail and then do actually useful things against the genocidal empire.

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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I agree, but I don’t have that choice right now. The issue of genocide isn’t on the two-party ballot. The issue of public education is. Fewer educated people means fewer people who can even identify genocide when it happens.

“But what good is identifying genocide if you’re not gonna stop it”

HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The thing that I think really makes it obvious that your thinking here is completely defective is that you don't even bring up the question "are you in a swing state?" I'm in a deep-blue state, why the fuck, even by your broken logic, should I vote for Kamala? She'll win my whole state anyway, so all I'm doing is helping to legitimize her if I vote for her, not do a single thing to keep Orange Man out.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?

If you actually want to stop fascism in the long term you'll need to join a socialist org. Liberals have historically acquiesced to fascism because of systemic forces inherent to capitalism.

If you'd like to know more, I'd recommend reading "The economy and class structure of german fascism"

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I agree, but I don’t have that choice right now. The issue of genocide isn’t on the two-party ballot

It's on there at least twice and you have every choice to not put a checkmark there or tell others to do so.

The issue of public education is. Fewer educated people means fewer people who can even identify genocide when it happens.

Lesser evil genociders is not a good argument, though this premise is also false. Dems cut education budgets as well. Blue states with blue districts in blue cities still underfunded and are at the forefront of charter school "experiments".

You cannot absolve support for genocide. You get no excuses. You should feel bad for even trying to make them.

HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?

The first step is to stop supporting it. The next step is to become educated in how the system works. The next step, which you can do simultaneously, is to join and participate in organizations with these same lines: no support for the genocidal capitalist parties, solidarity with Palestine.

You talked about education. You need some yourself but the primary work is in organizing, which includes teaching others. Instead of trying to justify supporting genociders you should be working against them. Stop pretending you have no agency and there is nothing to do.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

There's a large number of people out there that think "even though democrats had a disastrous four years, they will magically fund schools and give everyone a pony when they're back in power."

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[–] engelsaxons@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

With representatives like Democrats, who needs oppressors?

[–] H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (9 children)
[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago (29 children)

You can fight the trolley itself instead of justifying supporting genocide.

PS this is the real world not a meme. Political power is not a trolley problem, it is a matter of organization and education. You disempower yourself and others by pretending you can only backseat cheerlead a genocide. Instead of supporting this, go and join an organization that is actually opposing it and start doing work.

In the US, every student is eventually presented with lessons on the Holocaust and asked to think about what they would do. Right now, to be honest, your answer would have to be, "support it using poorly thought out propaganda".

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Let's pretend for a second that voting blue would stop the slaughter at "just" the Palestinians (it doesn't).

If you think you're knowingly sacrificing an entire people to annihilation just so save your own skin, and you can not only live with that but argue in favor of it instead of redacting your entire government, you're a fucking nazi. Peddle your them-or-us genocide support somewhere else you blue maga piece of shit.

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[–] TC_209@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Just openly admitting you support genocide. Disgusting. And don't even pretend you care about anyone represented in the bottom half of the image; if Democrats said murdering trans folks was necessary to beat Trump, you'd support that too.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

Time to sieze the trolley and build new tracks.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Fun fact: The United States actually has more than 2 parties

The More You Know

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[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

A more accurate picture would have all of the people on the republican track on the democrat track too, just covered with a tarp to conceal their real aims.

Also, tha US flag shouldn't be on either track since neither of the two right wings of the capitalist party would dare throw away the empire that furthers their and their masters' (the capitalist class) interests.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I have a plan, hear me out,

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago
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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: politics

👉 !nonpolitical_memes@lemmy.ml

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