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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Literally the only concrete thing russia wants is no nato membership, i feel like im in groundhog day.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 49 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Libs seem very unconditional-surrender-brained about this conflict. Even concept of considering Russian desires in a potential peace settlement makes them so fucking angry.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Eventually, once there are no more avenues left to help Ukraine without triggering nuclear war or losing thousands of NATO soldiers, they will simply pretend to have won the war, and pull all remaining support.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago

Us Finns have pretended we won the Winter and Continuation Wars for almost 80 years, it'll be fine

[–] edge@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

very unconditional-surrender-brained about this conflict

Considering the only actual usage of nuclear weapons so far was for that exact reason, it's not looking good.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

reality will collide with their willful idealistic daydreaming

[–] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

We all hope that is the case, but Liberals keep coming up with new and exiciting ways to deny reality. See for instance also the Finnish campaign to paint themselves as the winners of the Winter War and the deliberate exclusion of anything regarding the Continuation war.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Russia was loudly saying this in December 2021 (and for decades prior) but the US pretended it was about fReEdOm of association

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

The war is going badly

Let's make it worse! porky-happy

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't worry we just approved another 8 billion fucking dollars to make sure the war drags on forever.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem the west has is that you can't print physical things like artillery shells or create soldiers out of thin air. Ukraine's capacity to fight has been degraded to a point where the front is now collapsing, and no amount of money is going to change that.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hope you're right but the bombs don't have to come out of thin air if that $8B just goes straight to Lockheed and Haliburton ukraine is going to keep getting enough arms to justify continuing to fight for a little longer.

I'm also gonna put on my tinfoil hat and say ukraine also doesn't wanna end the war because I'm pretty sure the reason zelensky keeps complaining all the money we send isn't enough is because 50% is getting lost in the couch cushions of Ukranian officials overseeing the war. The checks keep cashing and there's zero percent chance them or their families sees combat so why stop now.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

NATO military production is actually much less than the rate they have been losing in Ukraine alone and they have also been using up reserves meant for the NATO nations. Due to the bloat of their system, they won't be able to build and equip enough factories to get their production to a point to keep up with their losses or rebuild reserves for 5 years at least and I give Ukraine another year at best.

You're right about zelensky, same situation as netanyahu, but the way that ends is that someone internally will coup them and if they can escape they get to retire in Florida.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Economist is saying this, a British ~~millionaire~~ billionaire must be profiting porky-happy

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

The old fantasy is falling apart. Here’s a new one to huff, you slop hogs

biaoqing-copium

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know I'm only getting the US version of the Russia Ukraine thing. I'm not sure where to get the other piece. Can somebody help me out with some links?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Mearsheimer does a very good job of providing honest analysis of the history of the conflict and the causes behind it https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-war

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks that was informative 👈😎