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[โ€“] GladiusB@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Mars looks like Southern California in Star Trek in the 60s.

[โ€“] frigidaphelion@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Says a lot for how much they were able to accomplish thematically with environments like that. Iconic

[โ€“] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 23 hours ago

Looks like a nice day on Mars. Apart from it being -70C out.

[โ€“] Sirius006@sh.itjust.works 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I dont know what camera they used but that zoom is crazy

[โ€“] glitch1985@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

Captured on my Samsung Galaxy s22

[โ€“] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mars has blue sunsets though.

[โ€“] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If only he would tell us why he had to hide away, for so long :(

Where did we go wrong?

[โ€“] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[โ€“] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

I've been to the Vasquez Rocks where that was shot. It's right by a freeway that definitely also existed in the 60s. They had to use some very creative camera work in terms of where they pointed it. It's kind of impressive.

Looking for a big rock

[โ€“] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They're gorn.

[โ€“] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Ah, so Mars is socialist.

[โ€“] choss@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mmmm that's some good choss! Do you happen to know where the photo on the right was taken? My geoguessr brain wants to put a pin on Kanab, Utah

[โ€“] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe it's the Atacama desert in Chile, according to a reverse image search.

[โ€“] choss@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Woah, cool, I never would have guessed! I should have thought to use reverse image search, haha. Thanks!

It was harder to identify than I expected, because the article I found was from Chile, and my Spanish is rusty. Lol

[โ€“] notTheCat@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[โ€“] ByteMe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It's just the ray tracing

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[โ€“] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Turns out rocks are rocks. (I'm a geologist I an I approve of this message)

[โ€“] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those particular rocks seem to be sandstone, though... which would pretty much be proof of liquid water having existed at some point.

Rocks are rocks, sure... but rocks tell stories, and these ones are telling a story that, while common and somewhat uninteresting on Earth, is quite interesting indeed when told on Mars.

[โ€“] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You are totally right. I was going to make a big post about how they actually formed but I deleted it halfway through. These rocks are definitely significant in that the same processes on earth happen on Mars so we can infer how they were deposited and formed. Hence my shitty first comment, rocks are rocks.

[โ€“] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)


Interesting that Dean Norris was on Mars and has a special interest in ~~rocks~~ minerals.

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[โ€“] forrcaho@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

If you find this interesting, you would probably enjoy the Mars Guy youtube channel. Weekly updates on the latest rovings of Perseverance.

[โ€“] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those clouds are doing a lot of talking in the picture on the right

[โ€“] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's how I figured which was which (I don't have the ability to quickly figure out left from right like most people have, so that left me time to play at guessing).

[โ€“] glitch1985@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I still sometimes hold my hands in front of me and see which one makes a natural L shape with index finger and thumb.

[โ€“] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago

Good to know I'm not alone with this "disability".

[โ€“] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't have the ability to quickly figure out left from right

As a kid I used to use which wrist my watch was on as a reference (I couldn't tell right from left, but I did know which wrist to put it on, most of the time). Of course with smartphones being a thing I no longer use a watch, but at this point the brain seems to have learnt to do it automatically. A ring, or wristband, or something like that would also work, probably.

But even then... do they mean my right, or the screen's right..? Or the picture's..? I never know, and a watch won't help with that...

[โ€“] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago

In my case I remember with which hand I use the mouse. But I never could get this to be automatic.

[โ€“] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Aeolian erosion do be like that though.

[โ€“] Eric_Pollock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Aren't the layers in the rock showing that water was definitely present on Mars, and that they're formed by sediment being deposited and forming into sedementary rock over time?

Yup!

Sediment gathers at the bottom of a lake or sea. Builds up deeper and deeper layers. Each layer is formed by a sediment deposition event. Each layer you go down is going further into the past of that former water body.

Because sedimentary rock requires standing bodies of liquid to form, they are only found on Earth and Mars (and maybe Dragonfly will find sedimentary deposits on Titan which would be very different in chemistry).

[โ€“] TheDudeV2@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Iโ€™m not a geologist but Iโ€™ve read up on it a fair bit.

This Mars photo appears to be sandstone.

On earth sandstone is usually associated with ancient rivers, lake shores, and sea shores. But also sand dune fields.

The thing with sandstone though, is itโ€™s not just sand. Rather, itโ€™s sand plus time plus pressure plus cementation.

Now, the time part is obvious. Whatโ€™s sandstone now was sand a long ass time ago (usually).

Pressure? Thatโ€™s a little harder to understand for me here. Has mars ever had tectonic stuff going on to bury it (and hence have pressure applied), followed by erosion and uplift? Or am I incorrect and pressure is not a necessary condition? Maybe sandstone without pressure is a thing itโ€™s just weaker and/or less dense? Maybe layers of volcanic basalt or something could have a similar effect? I donโ€™t know and would love to have someone more knowledgeable fill this part out.

Cementation? This part, Iโ€™m nearly certain, REQUIRES water. On earth anyway, this happens when ground water absorbs chemicals from other rock/stuff (for example carbonates from sea shells, but thereโ€™s lots of other chemicals that can do this), then flows through the beds of buried sand, and some of those chemicals are deposited along with magical chemistry stuff happening, and your sand becomes sand stone.

So I donโ€™t 100% know that the short answer to your question is โ€œyesโ€, but Iโ€™m leaning towards a solid โ€œyeah, probably, but Iโ€™m not a real geologist and Mars isnโ€™t a real Earth so I dunnoโ€.

[โ€“] cynar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Apparently, sandstone takes FAR less time to form than most people think. Apparently, some sandstone deposits have been found with roman artefacts inside. They were normal sand at the time and turned to sandstone since then.

Basically, it would take far less time than you would think to form sandstone on Mars. It's still proof of liquid water, but the lower end of the time estimate can be FAR shorter than you first think.

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[โ€“] j4k3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I could be wrong, but I don't think so in this case. Water would likely create more variation in banding where some groupings of layers is present and distinct. What I see in the differences at higher levels appears to be from exposure to wind and solar temperature fluctuations due to exposure. It looks too linear from top to bottom. With water I expect those more distinct sections of banding like you see on the Earth pic side. Maybe there was a lot more or less rain for a time due to a mountain range that came and went, or a local sea or large water basin. Those layers are deep time and more like the slow accumulation of an average dust before wind patterns shift significantly or some event shifts the composition like exposure of a different large rock unit to winds regionally. It is hard for humans to grasp deep time like this.

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