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Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance has shared some details about the Trump-Vance campaign’s health care plan, and it appears to allow insurers to charge more for preexisting conditions

Vance gave details on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, where he told Kristen Welker that Donald Trump’s plan involves “deregulating insurance markets, so that people can actually choose a plan that makes sense for them.”

This would appear to roll back some of the Affordable Care Act, which got rid of insurance companies’ ability to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions. Prior to President Obama’s legislation, it was difficult to get affordable health care coverage except through Medicare, Medicaid, or employer-based plans. While health care plans were available outside of that, insurers sought profits by weeding out people likely to require medical care.


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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 85 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Of course. Deregulate the market that is responsible for keeping you alive ,but would rather let you die than cover a pre-existing condition. Super smart play. Classic JD.

[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 18 points 1 month ago

"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated." - Weird 34

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

When an industry profits off of death and misery you NEED to regulate it. And because of libel and slander laws you can't even call these companies out for the shit they do unless you have a lawyer to back it up.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Vance said that under Donald Trump’s plan, Americans wouldn’t be put “into the same risk pools.” In other words, healthier young people wouldn’t be in the same risk pool as older people more likely to need medical care, lowering costs for younger Americans.

If this statement is true to their plan there's a bigger implication that should worry more than 50% of Americans.

Americans wouldn’t be put “into the same risk pools.”

Men wouldn't be in the same risk pool as women. Guess which group has higher overall health insurance because one group has a much more complicated and functional reproductive system?

For those that don't remember life before the reforms put in place, men were charged a small fraction of health insurance premiums compared to women. I remember as a young man when I learned this by comparing my pay stub with a woman coworker that was the same age as me at the time. We were both in our early 20s. To reiterate; we were the same age, same employer, same insurance company, same plan, the only difference was gender.

I was paying $23 every two weeks. She was paying $110.

I was shocked and embarrassed. I fully supported the reforms that lead men and women to paying equal rates even though that meant I had to pay much more than I had in the past.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

That would literally drive me out of the country. Both of my children have special needs and I hit my out of pocket maximum almost every year.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's so crazy that anyone aside from the people who own insurance companies thinks things were better before the ACA. I had a friend who got bone cancer and had a leg amputated at 17. For that type of cancer, it's nine years before they consider you in full remission, so he was essentially uninsurable for nine years because of the pre-existing condition.

There were people who had insurance that covered almost nothing because that's all they could afford - the ACA got rid of plans that didn't actually provide a benefit.

Our healthcare system is really, really terrible, but it's so much better than before the ACA.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s so crazy that anyone aside from the people who own insurance companies thinks things were better before the ACA.

It's actually worse than that.

In the survey, 35 percent of respondents said either they thought Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act were different policies (17 percent) or didn’t know if they were the same or different (18 percent). This confusion was more pronounced among people 18 to 29 and those who earn less than $50,000 — two groups that could be significantly affected by repeal.

A very large number of people are sitting in their trailers, drinking a PBR, and thinking that repealing Obamacare is a good thing because they got their insurance through the ACA.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, exactly. And Republican talking points encourage that kind of ignorance.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Create that type of ignorance with their arrogance.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

your first sentence sounds like it's saying the opposite btw

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I'm not understanding. I'm saying there are people who think things are better now, and I think that's crazy - the only ones who legitimately had it better before are insurance companies, who could just cancel you if you were costing them money.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago

Something tells me Vance is more qualified for sofa covering than health coverage

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

“deregulating insurance markets, so that people can actually choose a plan that makes sense for them.”

The problem with the modern insurance market is Not Enough Crypto.

[–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I'm getting pretty worried with my MS and it's super fucking expensive medication.

[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

will it cover treatment for when a tech overlord decides to cut your hand on a whim?

https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This thumbnail DT is starting to look a lot like Walter

[–] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Well djt is a puppet so that fits.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

I'm sure all those younger Americans won't care one bit when their parents and grandparents can't afford health insurance.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

His orangeness isn't even

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 1 month ago

well boomers all qualify for medicare now just abouts so seems about right. gotta keep that fuck train going.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He did say it was a concept of a plan didn't he?

Edit: oh shit I read that title wrong

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