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More than two decades ago, when gay men and lesbians were prohibited from serving openly in the U.S. military and no state had legalized same-sex marriages, a national LGBTQ+ rights group decided to promote change by grading corporations on their workplace policies.

The Human Rights Campaign initially focused its report card, named the Corporate Equality Index, on ensuring that gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer employees did not face discrimination in hiring and on the job. Just 13 companies received a perfect score in 2002. By last year, 545 businesses did even though the requirements have expanded.

But the scorecard itself has come under attack in recent months by conservative activists who targeted businesses as part of a broader pushback against diversity initiatives. Ford, Harley- Davidson and Lowe’s are among the companies that announced they would no longer participate in the Corporate Equality Index.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Can I ask a sensitive question? This question is for LGBTQ+ people who actually work or worked at a company when it adopted or dropped participating in the program. Does the CEI actually have an effect on the company's workplace tolerance or it is just something they do for appearances? Has a company that decided to drop participating become more intolerant or did they maintain the practices, but maybe considered the program itself an unnecessary expense?

Edit: One more question. If you're a LGBTQ+ person who works or worked at a company with a good score. Did/does your experience match company's score?

[–] sudoshakes@reddthat.com 6 points 7 hours ago

Worked at a major company you would instantly know the name of.

They were a large corporation but were not public ally traded. Trillions of dollars in assets with more than 60k people employed.

DEI was a MAJOR push, with not just required corporate training but also sessions held often for minority groups of all types to speak their minds in forums about how to connect with them etc.

DEI initiatives and campaigns were a thing, VP of DEI was hired and they had a whole subsection under HR. Corporate events, entertainment, whole virtual bands playing to the theme of inclusion.

This same company did nothing when facing the burning obvious culture of being yes men to their bosses. They did nothing different than most any other massive rich company for how they treated workers, tracking their activity, location, and even physical assess login to buildings for reviews or as excuse to fire.

In an large address by a major leader in the organization I personally gave virtual written innocuous feedback, that they asked for, only to have that be met within minutes with being told never to do that again. The message wasn’t even seen by the speaker. It was just purely culturally unacceptable to offer any constructive criticism of any kind to people in high enough authority.

More than half a dozen people messaged me to tell me they appreciated I gave it public ally and it needed saying. I didn’t know any of them.

So if people are so important and we value voices being heard equally so much, why would you have people desperate to be treated like people and any such statement be met with greats of reprisal?

Yeah. DEI is fan fare in the same way the office cafeteria and gym were. They are designed to entice talent to come or stay while costing the company minimal amounts to do so.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm past 40 and I've never seen so much liberated hate and intolerance. I'm pretty disgusted by the state of the world. Thank capitalism.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This kind of discrimination is literally anti-capitalist. If maximizing profit is the goal, refusing someone for any reason unrelated to how good a worker they'd be (a category everything in the HRC falls under) is counter-productive.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

However, if excluding a minority, creates better financial relationships with the majority consumer base, it is in their interest to drop the minority. Capitalism only cares about what seems to maximize profit, and protect it, and if that is benefited by some form of exclusion, that is what will be done.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago

The vast majority of consumers of the vast majority of companies' products are completely in the dark about the demographic makeup of its workforce, so even the possibility of this being a factor is minuscule.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] bestagon@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

A big reason religious hate can still do this in a society that’s been trending more secular is a bunch of old white dudes with moral ideals from the 50s own the media companies

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ravhall@discuss.online 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Capitalism evolved from Calvinism (see Max Weber), so the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hm. Of the three companies named, the only one I did business with is Lowe's.

Did.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

CEO of Home Depot is a Trumper and has donated a lot of money to his campaigns.

[–] styxem@sh.itjust.works 8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Are there any better alternatives? Ace hardware doesn't participate in the Coporate Equality Index either, and TrueValue only has a score of 50 while Home Depot is 45.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

I'm not sure tbh. There's Menards if you want the big conglomorate. For most things there are still the local hardware stores but they may not be close.

A lot of companies are dropping their DEI programs now because they don't have to do them anymore.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I tend to favor Ace, just because I have one close by and they're all franchise stores (which means local ownership of the individual store, at least, which softens the blow of shitty corporate practices).

Menard's is another option, but I have no idea if they're any better on this issue than Home Depot or True Value.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 77 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Capitalism only does the right then when it doesn't cost them. As soon as there's a real cost, doing the right thing goes down the drain.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Capitalism didn't start accepting women, blacks, latinos, and LGBTQ+ because they are humans with intrinsic value to their lives simply for existing.

No, not at all.

Capitalism started accepting women, blacks, latinos, and LGBTQ+ because they realized they were leaving money on the table.

Some of those people capitalism was rejecting might be good workers, and if they're a good worker, they might spend money, and if they spend money, the capitalists want them spending their money on their businesses.

Companies really started marketing to women once women were allowed to have their own bank accounts. Coincidence? Hardly.

Once the same thing starts losing them money? It's out the window.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Replace capitalism with humans

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean, sure, that's easily arguable, but capitalism is currently the only economic system that incentivizes human greed and argues that human greed can be used for good.

How are we supposed to ignore a system that celebrates and rewards some of humanities worst vices?

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

capitalism is currently the only economic system

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

The thing to consider is that well-developed, critially thinking humans should be weighing the cost of their decisions. I mean it's in the bible ffs so all these right wingnuts SHOULD be paying attention.

Luke 14:28-30

“But don’t begin until you count the cost. For who would begin construction of a building without first calculating the cost to see if there is enough money to finish it? Otherwise, you might complete only the foundation before running out of money, and then everyone would laugh at you. They would say, ‘There’s the person who started that building and couldn’t afford to finish it!’

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago

These companies were never our allies, fair weather opportunists only willing to say they value us so long as it costs them nothing. I remember the few businesses that would openly support lgbt causes back in the early 90s back when public support was not on our side. These cowardly corpos today get a tiny whiff of fascist whining and immediately throw us under the nearest bus.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 25 points 1 day ago

Ford, Harley- Davidson and Lowe’s are among the companies that announced they would no longer participate in the Corporate Equality Index.

Meanwhile, here are the ones that did well on the Corporate Equality Index link.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Adult lgbtq people are jaded enough against this, but I think about the lgbtq kids who don’t understand why this is happening. And will learn the hard way.

It was Matthew Shepherd’s death that made me an activist, but it’s shit like this that keeps me going.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

the kids are busy getting their politics from tiktok lmao ain't no way they understand what's happening let alone why in relation to what has come before

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

I said “jaded” not “nihilist” but whatever

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've always been critical of corporations ""supporting"" LGBTQ+ rights. Not because I'm opposed to those rights, but because they're doing it for nefarious reasons.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Companies supporting LGBQ matters is a good litmus test for society's overall progress. Rainbow capitalism should be looked at with skepticism, but it does mean something.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

Litmus is the word but yes, youre right.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Companies supporting LGBT matters is a good litheness test

Then they're often obese as fuck, lol

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Fixed. It was a long day at work.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Seriously.... Who gives a fuck if a good thing is being done because it makes someone money vs making someone happy? At the end of the day, the good thing happened. That's a win. We live in a capitalist society, this should be a very common concept good or not.

Like seriously, who gives a shit if rainbow capitalism was for making money? It absolutely helped at least some (if not many) people feel seen and accepted.

"I would take this vaccine but someone created it because it would make them money so I'm critical"

In what world does that make sense??? As long as you understand WHY they do what they do (thus keeping yourself from being convinced they actually do care lmao), then its all good and take advantage of the good thing as it happens.

Is this part of a small government?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago

Target ran from the fight for equality and now we don't shop there. Fuck these corporate cowards. Withhold your business.