this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2024
225 points (99.6% liked)

chapotraphouse

13447 readers
822 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank

Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here

Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I think English signs itself isn't always sus. But Israeli flags? Come on.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 78 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There are entire slum complexes in Rio de Janeiro under the control of evangelical syndicates who call themselves the armies of Israel, and who repress any religion other than their church.

This is the afterglow of project 'damn, 1960s America is too woke, lets preach in the third world'.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are entire slum complexes in Rio de Janeiro under the control of evangelical syndicates who call themselves the armies of Israel, and who repress any religion other than their church.

Complexo de Israel (Israel Complex) is fucking terrifying, the worst of the worst that Rio has to offer. Neo-pentecostal militarized gangs using repression tactics that actually sound like what Israel does to Palestinians

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

As soon as pentacostalism starts creeping into a Latino community, odds are it is going to swing wildly to an enemy ideology.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This is why (I have several more historical reasons actually) I believe we need to ban missionaries and people that evangelize the Christian bible (or any religion for that matter).

They rely on predatory tactics to spread their message and often plant seeds of division where they preach. I was reading a story about missionaries' tactics and one of them included only giving food to the poor that would agree to listen to the Bible. They wouldn't give poor people food until they sat down and listened to the priest.

It's sickening.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These fuckers are all over Guatemala too. They haven’t managed to penetrate my region yet but they’re persistent as hell. Send some away and two more show up.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Iran and Saudi Arabia banned missionaries and building churches, it's the only law I wish western countries would just adopt.

The church hasn't ended its predatory behaviors, it just has better marketing now.

[–] ShariaLawZ@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

china also doesn't allow foreign missionaries, only local Chinese people can be missionaries in China

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

This is the best option tbh, if you can't ban it outright at least prevent outside actors from coming to your country and treating their "mission" like it's a vacation and opportunity to gawk at the backwards locals who desperately need your help.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is why (I have several more historical reasons actually) I believe we need to ban missionaries and people that evangelize the Christian bible (or any religion for that matter).

Anyone who disagrees with this probably needs to self crit honestly.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I have lots of religious friends, I love them dearly.

But the fact of the matter is that religion has been a covert tool for organizations and governments to engage in disinformation and even information warfare in the past. It still is used today.

How missionaries in Africa spread the myth that aids is spread through gay sex and did the opposite of promoting protection during sex.

It's gotten people killed and ruined lives

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

only giving food until listening to a sermon

They do that in the US, too lmao

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 75 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Soviet repression of the Hungarian uprising was, possibly, the most correct political action of the 20th century.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Banging the shoe on the table was certainly a memorable move.

Edit: "We will bury you" is also quite a line.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

didn't the shoe thing not actually happen?

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Huh I never heard that but a cursory look says it's an alleged event. Some say he just banged a fist and others a shoe.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Fascists get what they deserve

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 72 points 1 week ago (3 children)

English signs itself isn't always sus

It is 100% sus when the country isn't English. It implies the signs are there to beg for American support, not for support within their own borders (or from neighbours and allies)

[–] Bedulge@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't believe you have ever attended or seen a protest in a country that does not speak English. English language signs are common in both right wing and left wing protests. By common, I mean that they are gonna be present, if not in big numbers, than in small numbers, basically at any protest.

Why?

Over 150 countries around the world have English as a required subject in school. Everyone learns English now, and in a few generations the majority of the world population will probably be at least slightly bilingual in English. It is the global auxiliary language. When a socialist from Japan and a socialist from Brazil want to talk to each other, what language do you think they use? Do they think they just refuse to use English (the only language they have in common) bc America is the Great Satan?

To assume that any message written in English is necessarily directed to Americans is just absurdly Americentric thinking

Do you think these pro-LGBT protesters in Thailand and Japan are seeking American military intervention? Or do you just think they want the whole world to know what they are saying?

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Bedulge@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Yea and I'd also note that this is supposed to be like fluent or near fluent speakers. If you include the number of people with at least some basic level you are probably looking at a number that's maybe nearly double that I expect.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is false, pro-Palestine protests in Japan and South Korea have both used English signage. We need better heuristics for ops than “hehe English sign”

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Coup in Brussels inbound???

They’re even chanting in English here, it must be because they’re appealing to western governments(?)

My city has a large international community that is a bit more activist than the local community do some protest will have mostly English signs even if they are anti imperialist. But generally I agree with you

[–] soiejo@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago

Brazilian chuds have been flying israeli flags alongside brazilian flags for years now, this is absolutely not surprising

The english signs is pretty sus though, I agree on that

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

reminder it wasnt as full as this image makes it look like.

without the state apparatus in his favor, bolsonaro lost most of his fervent supporters. evangelical conservatism is very much alive and well here though, just waiting for the next bolsonaro.

also lula is probably more likely to support the damn evangelicals in their bloodlust than to send any tanks.

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

that last part is so true lmao

when these evangelical leaders were reaching their peak, back in late 00's/early 10's, the PT decided to support rather than to fight them, in the hopes that they would get electoral support (which they even did, for a time; but like any reactionary opportunist, those leaders soon turned their back on the party)

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Same way how chavez briefly flirted with protestantism

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

in a way, i think we can see it as a type of tailism

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbh, Maduro also has the support of Protestants (I believe they are neo-Pentecostals and not the old local Protestants). These people are usually opportunists, as we've seen in Brazil and places like Guatemala. By the way, these neo-Pentecostals are very hostile towards the actual local Protestant churches, most of which were left-wing and oppressed during the Juntas.

[–] Boredom@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

It's a mistake, the only issue is that the opposition is also super reactionary when it comes to religion. (Bring up Maria Lionza in front of exiles, they use their shit)

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 47 points 1 week ago

Evangelicals are one of the biggest voting block of the Brazilian right and they're obsessed with their supporters of Israel

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

sometimes I wish I could go back in time and kill baby Martin Luther before he starts Protestantism and its consequences

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It would happen anyways, and lutheranism isn't even the worst protestantism.

[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago

Yeah the Catholic Church was too weird and European nobles wanted to stop paying for the church.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Yeah I'd take any of the wishywashy national Nordic Lutheran churches over the Vatican

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

If we step on enough butterflies either something will change, or we'll eventually run out of butterflies.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ehh doesn't matter, I'd have the time machine and a mission, so I'd just go around Tim Walzing them babies

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

The trick is to replace Luthor and try to mainstream a slightly cooler version of Protestantism. If you let that one monarch do divorce, then you can render the whole Anglican Church inert.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The time machine is almost complete. We leave on tuesday. Bring your own gun.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

safety not guaranteed

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

Friends, in Bolivia there was NO coup!

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This colour revolution ain't gonna fund itself. Wonder which focus group landed on yellow. Capitalists gonna do this shit forever until they are stopped

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Wonder which focus group landed on yellow.

I reckon it was more about convenience than anything else. That's the Brazilian football jersey, a lot of people have one of these in their closets, so that's very handy

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Of course if you're organising a protest organically you have to point out that it's organic, it's absolutely not a psyop

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

I think that comment was sarcastic

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This over Twitter? Lmao what a freakshow

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

By the way, with the twitter ban, what she's doing is currently an infraction. This means if someone snitches on her she might have to pay R$50k, which is just shy of 10k in USD. That is, unless she's tweeting from outside of Brazil.

load more comments
view more: next ›