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[–] liquidparasyte@pawb.social 4 points 4 days ago

Price Has No Limits™

PayStation ∆◯╳☐

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Uhhh. Maybe I'm a little TOO far from the console crowd but I'm going to say this anyways.

Who tf cares? I'm a PC gamer and I've been without a disk drive since 2009.

I will happily admit it is definitely a different situation. For one, this would essentially give Sony a monopoly on games. Which would mean that they would never lower prices and gamers have no one to go to other than them. You know what I'm talking about, all the same shit that Nintendo has been doing for years.

I guess that I'm just curious how many people dislike this.

[–] GeekySalsa@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Another big problem imo is also that you effectively lose ownership of your games. Inevitably, servers would be shut down and you wouldn't be able to download the games that you own. And that's if things go well. Some games could always just go away earlier as we've seen on other platforms. However, if you own the disk, then that's that, you can play the game forever.

On steam, the same problem could technically happen, but I trust Steam significantly more. It's very much in their best interest to keep growing their library of games and not stop supporting them. I still have games from 10+ years ago on it and I expect to keep them 10+ years from now.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

cant function as a dvd player as well as console if there isnt a disc drive

some people just have games on disc and without a disc drive they either have to buy the disc drive seperate or rebuy their game digitally

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If I'm not mistaken it's actually a Blu-ray player not just a dvd player. Mind you this is from memory not necessarily a fact, lol

[–] GeekySalsa@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

It's def a blu-ray player. In fact it's not just that, it's a 4k blu-ray player.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Actually the disk drives makes the console attractive, as you can snag cheap second hand games

Oh yeah, no doubt. One of the whole benefits of PC gaming is being able to snag games from other retailers. Honestly disk drive consoles have the advantage of being able to snag games from other users.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 139 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This is yet another nail in the coffin of physical media. Or, in other words games you actually own instead of long term lease.

[–] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 138 points 1 week ago (44 children)

It's not like physical media makes any difference anyway these days.

Actual disk often gets just a glorified installer, and even if it includes the entire game you're likely to have to activate it online anyway.

The "own your games" ship has sailed long ago, unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 93 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups

Going to have to plug GOG here as these are both things they offer. I try to buy games there instead of Steam, purely for this reason.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Going to have to plug GOG here as these are both things they offer.

Note that this is a major selling point for GOG and available on most of their library, but unlike their early days, not everything is DRM-free.

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[–] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The difference is the price of buying discs vs. buying from a digital store that has no competitors.

I've bought almost exclusively second-hand discs for my PS5, because they're like half the price for the exact same content.

Sadly it'll probably be just a matter of time before those will be phased out as well, one way or another.

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 115 points 1 week ago (19 children)

I think the steam deck is genuinely the only console worth buying these days.

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[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 72 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It would be so funny if the EU decided Sony was a gatekeeper on the consoles without disc drives and forced them to allow 3rd party app store on them.

Hey, a guy can dream.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What the EU actually needs to do is to spearhead and help find everyone a way to actually “own” digital things. I think I’d be fine with not having a disk drive if I could buy my game, not be reliant on servers to download it in the future, trade my games with friends, and choose to sell it when I felt like it.

We need to find a way to get back (most of) the benefits of physical media without actually having to go back to it.

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[–] 4vgj0e@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (10 children)

One big reason people still play on consoles to this day is because they own a physical copy of their games and can play on their consoles even offline.

Sometimes

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

for that value just get a pc honestly not a locked down freebsd based console

[–] curry@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

No joke. A decent gaming pc can be built around that price and be used for so much more. Even cheaper if you hunt for used parts.

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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

At $700 you could build a pretty decent PC that would last a lot longer (3060 12gb, Ryzen 5 5600, 16gb of DDR4), and build a steam library that you'll have 20 years from now. I've had the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for an easy 10; controllers don't last that long. They're reaching a point where there's less and less of an actual argument for owning one.

[–] dan@upvote.au 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

build a steam library that you'll have 20 years from now

How do you know that Steam will be around in 20 years?

Use GOG instead. The DRM-free game installers will outlive Steam :)

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, physical media for gaming died when always-online DRM was normalized. It doesn't matter if you have a game on a disc when you have to phone home every time to use it. The corporation may still block your access.

One more step in ensuring no one owns anything. Lease or rent are your options.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Physical media or full rejection. Fuck you business school zombies squeezing blood from rocks

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sony's problems are twofold:

  • They are charging an absurd amount of money for a game console
  • They are selling a game console that has practically no first party games for it.

If they had plenty of the latter, they could weather this. But there are still games releasing for the PS4, and they have had 1, maybe 2 PS5 releases that would qualify as first party this year (that don't bubble down to PC).

Jesus christ, Nintendo is gonna win it all aren't they?

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 39 points 1 week ago (26 children)

Reminder that you can put in whatever you want in a PC. And that you can get a decent gaming machine for 1k (700+PS plus).
CD Drive? No problem. DVD? Of course. Another SSD? Get some random 50$ thing and throw it in there. Floppy? Harvest some old PC and voila.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The real point is that you can upgrade it incrementally, you don't have to throw it away, and upgrading will allow you to play all your old games from generation to generation without having to rebuy them for the latest Gen.

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[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago

Nintendo is going to continue to eat everybody's lunch with decisions like this one

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I stopped buying consoles after they wanted to charge me to use the internet. That's not how this works.

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[–] Jayve@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

They don't want you to own* physical media anymore.

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[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

799€ here, 920€ with a disc drive. That is stupidly insane for a console. We're almost breaking the 1000€ barrier for an "upgrade", not even the new generation.

I'd bet my money Sony is just testing the grounds to see if they can set PS6 price in a few years over the 1k barrier.

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[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

All good points in the comments, but something I haven't seen a anyone talk about yet:

WHY is a DISK DRIVE $80??? All it does is read a disk. Any encryption on the disk would be decrypted on the console. External disk drives are like $20. If you specially brand them maybe you could go up to $40.

But $80? That's like a Gameboy Advance. That's a miyoo mini plus. That's an entire console in itself.

[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But $80? That’s like a Gameboy Advance. That’s a miyoo mini plus. That’s an entire console in itself.

Bruh, you can even get 2 or 3 DS lites for that price

[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ah, I should have been more specific. Back in the day I got my GBA new for $75 retail. (With inflation that's probably a lot more now.)

Used DS lites are great, especially if you can fix the broken hinges and screens.

[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

DS Lites imo have always been the best on the retro console value curve

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's actually below market value for an external 4K UHD drive.

[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're right! My point no longer stands. Removing the disk drive would then save about $100 from the console, which makes sense to remove if you're cutting costs and most players play digital anyways.

~also if you're pushing digital games.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ahhhh, so my ps5 is the most superior PlayStation still, good to know.

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[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think Sony never wanted a physical media PS5 console. The design made it seem like an after thought. Like a growth on the side of sleek lines.

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