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[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 292 points 2 months ago (26 children)

Because they operate in bad faith and cannot be trusted.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is true, but I think it's even more simple than this.

They want a specific guy to win.

While we want specific policies to win.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I wanted specific policies to win there's nobody available to vote for. Unless you think "the one viable option that isn't theocratic fascism or a reich" is a policy, since that's what I'm voting for this year.

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 months ago

The authors of Project 2025 need a malleable president for their agenda. Trump is perfect in that regard. He will sign bill that lands on his desk.

Bonus: should Trump die, JD is way more keen on the 2025 agenda.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 125 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The majority of people who objected to Biden were Democrats that wanted a better candidate because we were afraid that Biden would lose to Trump. The majority of Republicans can't conceive of a universe where Trump ever loses an election so there hasn't been an equivalently loud push on the GOP side.

Also, while I'd personally rather Trump be off the ballot entirely a fair chunk of democratic voters seem to think we're better off with Trump on the GOP ballot than someone who is younger and may be better able to seem less openly deplorable. I disagree with that notion and also think Trump should step down because any chance that he wins the election is too high of a chance.

Basically, this article is drawing an equivalence between two very different situations.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Trump on the GOP ballot than someone who is younger and may be better able to seem less openly deplorable. I disagree with that notion and also think Trump should step down because any chance that he wins the election is too high of a chance.

I REALLY would hate to see a Harris v Haley election.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Harris would have it in the bag. Haley is a true believer in pro-life policies in a way that would really turn off independents. Haley is an absolutely awful national candidate and can only really thrive in regions where Christianity has a death grip on the electorate.

Trump's agnosticism is actually one of his political strengths - it should be a weakness with his base but for some reason he's viewed as the second coming of jesus fucking christ and I really don't understand how the fuck those delusional religious folks managed to square that in their mind. Especially when it was Biden vs. Trump with Biden being a deeply religious and non-shitty Catholic.

The GOP is seriously unhinged right now... and every GOP politician who has called that out has been instantly destroyed... that's actually another contrast of this article - Pelosi openly and really fucking brazenly called for Biden to step down, Johnson, Scalise... fucking McCarthy? Those clowns would never dare because unless they act as a group it's political suicide.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

for some reason he's viewed as the second coming of jesus fucking christ and I really don't understand how the fuck those delusional religious folks managed to square that in their mind.

That's the neat part, they don't. Cognitive dissonance is one helluva drug

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I also love the implication that it somehow wouldn't be a massive waste of time for Democrats to go tell Trump he's too old to run. Like how worthless is your time if you're gonna spend it barking up the worlds dumbest tree. If I wanted to be ignored, I'd at least ask for something like no longer selling weapons to nations credibly accused of genocide.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 88 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Are people really just now realizing he's barely coherent? That's why he got so much coverage 9 years ago in the first place. It's been the #1 joke every fucking day for night show hosts since he rolled down that escalator to say Mexicans are rapists.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (6 children)
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They never cared that about Bidens age, they just needed something to dislike him for. Notice they don't have any policies they talk about. They just say Biden opened the border and is letting everyone in and it's all his fault. Ignoring all evidence that arrests/detainments/returns are up, meaning they clearly aren't just letting everyone in.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 81 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Nothing is disqualifying for a Republican candidate for president.

Except maybe, I dunno, having a plan for healthcare or housing affordability or something.

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Those will all be coming 2 weeks after Election Day I’m sure.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 60 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The donor class doesn't really care about Trump's mental (and psychological) issues, and really don't even care much about Trump at all. They're not actually supporting him - they're supporting the handlers and advisers with which they intend to surround him, and the policies (and primarily Project 2025) that they intend to enact through him.

If anything, his incoherence is, to them, a benefit, since he's just that much easier to manipulate. Since he can't form a coherent thought on his own, he can be readily filled up with someone else's ideas, just so long as they're framed correctly.

He's like a wind-up toy - all they have to do is feed him carefully crafted stories and get him wound up and pointed in the right direction, then just let him go.

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

If anything, his incoherence is, to them, a benefit, since he's just that much easier to manipulate. Since he can't form a coherent thought on his own, he can be readily filled up with someone else's ideas, just so long as they're framed correctly.

This is pretty much what was going on in the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush too. I'm so sick of sharing a country with people who eagerly elect feeble-minded puppets... I guess because they find them relatable.

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[–] Blackmist 42 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Trump being senile doesn't matter to Trump voters. As long as he hates the same people they hate, they'll decorate their trailers and go out and put him in power.

Biden being senile did matter to Biden voters. That's why they attacked him on it. And rightly so. Let the poor man retire. It's not an easy job if you actually bother to do it.

The GOP won't replace Trump even if they his health does concern them, because if they do they go from just under half of the votes to being obliterated.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The bothsiderist media didn't even bothsides things when both candidates were older. Now that only the Republican one is older, I have zero expectation of them asking why donnie is so old.

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[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

...i mean, to be fair he was barely coherent at seventy, too: that's kind of his whole thing, sputtering out incoherent word salad so his fanbase can infer whatever they want to hear...

"Well, yes, he said that but what he really meant was this. I like him because he tells it like it is."

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

People need to start talking about a possible President Vance. If Trump wins, it is a near certainty that he will die or be declared unfit within a year or two at most. If that were to happen, Vance will become president. Project 2025 would have Vance's full support and the support of the Federalist Society and the backing of billionaires like Thiel and Musk.

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[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

It's a shame they missed the (imo) significantly more poignant joke of having the guy painting from the roof to cover up "Don't".

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Hi. I’m here. Trump is too old and demented to be president. Just like biden.

The difference is the right doesn’t care. Because they know it doesn’t matter who is in office. Either way they get everything they want.

Edit: and arguably everyone who was actually concerned about biden and not just a republican shill is now happily voting Harris.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Because Biden is a boring president.

He had no controversies, He said no outrageous things. The worst thing Biden ever did was show up, heavily jetlagged, to a debate, and still managed to perform decently in it (despite what the mass hallucination the media has incited would have you believe)

He did his job, he did it well.

And because of that, people didnt turn into broadcast media in droves to see the latest tidbits on what he had done. So ratings, and viewership, and profit declined for broadcast media.

Which is why they love and want another Trump presidency.

Because he is always saying something horrible, doing something horrible, has some new horrible controversy, almost every fucking day.

Things that drive people to turn to the news every day and watch, in numbers that havent been seen since 9/11, and those numbers endured for 4 years of presidency.

The Broadcast Media is addicted to trump, and will stop at nothing to ensure they can continue hit their drug of choice every. single. day. multiple times a day, if possible. and the best way to do that is to whitewash everything he does and says, and go after his opponents with an aggression that is worthy of lawsuits, to ensure he can be president again and give them those ratings, viewership and income again.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where are they? Exactly where they always were.

On the Left and amid the DNC, there has always been a lack of unity. The Democrats in general display a stark willingness to turn against their own, to eat their own candidate, in the event of a failure. A favored politician gets caught sending inappropriate pictures to someone who isn't their spouse? Their career is over. An incumbent fucks up a debate? Their base splits and explodes and forces them out. On the left, you can't fuck up and still expect unwavering support like you could on the Right.

On the right, the cries about age and fitness are being shown as bad faith arguments. The fact that they still support their pants-shitting senile rambler felon of a candidate makes it pretty clear that they don't actually care THAT MUCH about age and fitness. It was just a convenient weapon they could turn turn against Biden, because he was very slightly older than Trump, and when Trump babbles like an imbecile that's just his normal. He's always been unfit, as opposed to recently declining to that level.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's no solidarity like fascist solidarity. They stick to each other like stink on shit, unless one of them does something nice or normal. Then it's straight to cancel town.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

republicans will never admit to anything ever, not one instance has a republican EVER admitting to fault in ANY scenario.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago (28 children)

On Hexbear and .ml seething that Trump isn't going to win.

Fuck Hexbear, Russian trolls, and tankies everywhere.

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's barely coherent because he's Trump, not because he's 78.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

He was barely coherent before. Now that he's old and demented he's completely incoherent.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

The left is criticizing him but his base doesn't care.

The right is falling in line, as they tend to. In fairness, it's waaaay too late for them to do anything about it now.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well since Biden's leaving office shortly I don't care that he's too old for reelection anymore. Trump on the other hand has always needed to go; his mental degeneracy, the cognitive kind not the part where he's just a degenerate, it's just a new reason to add to the list.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

......................on the Democrat side and already deeply hate him.

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

His senility is the smallest problem when it comes to Trump.

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[–] BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The fact that Biden's brain was turning to jello before our eyes was only a big topic of conversation because delusional libs refused to acknowledge it for years. "Trump is incoherent" is not a big topic of conversation because no one who is human denies it, it's been obvious since before Biden was a serious candidate

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Sucking trumps Dick

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's be very Frank with you, republicans want that. Not the rank and file, but the politicians that want control over the United States.

What they want from Trump is a rubber stamp to do whatever they want.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

I don't even think it's that deep, americans treat politics like football and they just want their team to win.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Easy. We wanted the Democrats to have a better, more competitive candidate so we needed to take down Biden. His age was frankly, only a minor component of that that came into play at the end.

I have no interest in adding the Republicans swapping out for a more viable candidate.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago

This man is far too old to be learning for the first time that the press treatment of Trump ranges from ‘with kid gloves’ to ‘trying to get him elected’. Has he been asleep since 2016?

This also has the taste of a dude that is seething about Biden being pressured into not seeking re-election, in which case he needs to get the fuck over it.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What are your favorite top 3 "wow, Trump is nuts" videos to show your uncle who's only seen the Fox News version of Trump? The nuclear engineer monologue is pretty good.

Now I get this article is rhetorical, but just we're all clear: When Democrats recognize truth, then they adjust; when Republicans recognize truth, they ignore, spin, lie, and double-down on said lie. We saw the truth behind both Biden and Trump being old; but naturally, their criticism only applies to the (D).

It's also literally in their brain wiring. Their Anterior Cingulate Cortex tends to be smaller, which reduces the capacity to recognize patterns or introspect on cognitive dissonance...

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

The 78 and barely coherent crowd was already voting for Trump. The "we want more than barely coherent" now has Harris.

[–] Baggins 12 points 2 months ago

That's not barely coherent, that's the weave!

Weaving in and out of reality more like.

Am really pissed off when interviewers or reporters don't just call him out there and then. They do it to people here in UK (a lot of the time) unless you're on a dog whistle station.

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