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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 279 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

"It's NOT a gun control issue, it's a mental health issue!"

"Then we're expanding access to mental healthcare?"

"Fuck no, that's SOCIALISM and psychiatry is bullshit anyway!"

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 87 points 5 days ago (10 children)

It’s frustrating because I believe it’s a mental health issue primarily. But god forbid we actually help people deal with their trauma and pain.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It can be both! And a problem with bullying in schools. And lack of ways to escape poverty. But having any changes that affect any of those things is verboten to the places where land gets more of a vote than people in cities do.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

Never thought if describing the electoral college that way but it is actually a pretty good analogy

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m for gun control. I just believe that if we lived in some utopia with zero mental health issues, it wouldn’t be an issue regardless.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Therapy and meds can't fix poverty perpetrated by the ruling class.

But I generally agree.

And did you know utopia means "place that cannot exist" while eutopia means "a perfect place". Not correcting you, I just think it's funny that euphemistic drift has flopped it fucky.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago

It's not even a mental health issue either, ultimately! The traumas that result in mental health issues themselves have a cause, which tends to boil down to systemic inequity of some form or another. And our rulers not only have fuck-all interest in fixing that, but also a vested interest in actively perpetuating it.

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[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Fuck those people. Universal healthcare to include complete mental health support and well being as a primary focus

[–] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"Fuck no, that's SOCIALISM and psychiatry is bullshit anyway!"

I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking that people who think/say this, have mental health issues. We are lost.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

The Beaverton put together a nice, fill in the blank for mass shootings.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2015/10/mass-shooting-in-usa-kills/

Edit: Added the Beaverton article

__________, USA — Up to ___ people were killed and ____ more injured after a gunman opened fire at a ________.

There were conflicting reports about casualties, but _______ from _______County Sheriff Department said the number is at __.

“I heard a popping sound and screaming,” said _________, a _________ at the __________. “And that’s when we all got down. There was ______ everywhere.”

The shooter’s motive was reported to be ________________.

Citizens of _______ were ______ and ______ to hear that something like this could happen in their community.

President _______ and Governor _______ had their _______ and _______ with the victims and their families.

____________________________________________________ gun control ___________________.

The NRA released a statement stating it __________with the victims, but _________ Second Amendment rights and _______________.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

____________________________________________________ gun control ___________________.

💀

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the saddest meme I've seen in recent memory, if only because of its accuracy

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[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

As depressing as this is, it would make a GREAT mad lib.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Madlibs version, fill in the blanks with your own phrases and post:

1. Noun
2. Number
3. Number
4. Noun
5. Noun
6. Noun
6a. Number from 2
7. Name
8. Verb
9. Noun from 4
10. Noun
11. Greivance
12. Noun from 6
13. Emotion
14. Emotion
15. Noun
16. Noun
17. Noun
18. Noun
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Alright I finally had time to sit down and do it, and I realized in my earlier haste I made a few mistakes. Here it is corrected and madlibbed out in all its glory:

Hell, USA — Up to 69 people were killed and _another 420 more injured after a gunman opened fire at a Pepperidge Farm.

There were conflicting reports about casualties, but Booger from Weiner County Sheriff Department said the number is at 69.

“I heard a popping sound and screaming,” said Scooby Doo, a Fart at the Pepperidge Farm. “And that’s when we all got down. There was Butts everywhere.”

The shooter’s motive was reported to be His penis fell off.

Citizens of Weiner were Angry and Horny to hear that something like this could happen in their community.

President Dog Poo and Governor Balls had their  Lunch and Snakes with the victims and their families.
[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 80 points 4 days ago (8 children)

My opinion is that these shootings are a greater failure in this country than simply gun control. There is a LOT we need to work on to decrease mass shootings. While I admit, I am more on the personal responsibility side of the gun control debate, I am not against well thought through legislation. I don't think that most of the proposals for gun control are rational, detailed, and written with an even cursory understanding of firearms.

To start to address mass shootings, I believe that we need to expand our healthcare in this country. Both physical and mental healthcare. If people are physically well, and can get treatment that doesn't threaten to bankrupt them, then they will have more opportunities to develop better coping mechanisms. They will be able to seek healthcare options and not feel like they are left to fend for themselves. The isolation from a society that doesn't care or help them is detrimental, and while I have no studies to back it up, I would think that a society with a healthcare system thats prerogative is the patient instead of profit would help.

I think the aspect of mental healthcare speaks for itself. So people don't lash out and can seek other means of dealing with issues. I also believe that the stigma of seeking mental healthcare and it's ability to impact people's rights and job prospects is a hindrance. We should not make it so that if someone seems help, that they are punished for it.

I believe we have a big culture shift that needs to occur. Too much do we use rhetoric that reinforces that firearms and gun violence is the ultimate solution to a disagreement. "Fuck around and find out" when used in the context of firearms is terrible. Firearms should be considered the last resort to protect life. Not property and not your feelings.

Firearms are not conflict resolution! We need to work to give people better ways of solving and deescalating conflicts.

We need to work on our wealth disparity. We should be elevating our poorest so that they don't have to resort to violence or crime. As most firearm crimes are not mass shootings, we need to address the other parts of firearm use.

We need to work on our community involvement. Bring people together, break down the walls between us, and get past the cliques.

There is a lot we need to do, but gun control is only a small piece of solving gun violence.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Addition:

Stop the 24 hour news cycle and please please please stop naming criminals by name and showing their faces. Delete the "claim to fame" angle that comes with horrible crimes.

For community involvement, what comes to mind for me is: walkable neighbourhoods, libraries even in small towns and local sports clubs.

But there must be a minimum of gun laws: Buying, owning, operating only under license, storage at home in a safe and ammunition in a separate safe. That's really the bare minimum.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Regarding the news cycle. Yes! Stop the 24 hour, constant fear being fed to the populace.

You are remarkably safe in your own home. Get rid of the fear mongering!

Stop making national news of local issues. The constant national attention to some random horrible things that doesn't affect 99.99% of the viewership doesn't need to be highlighted.

I'm not against gun laws, but I'm going to disagree with your minimums. Anything regarding storage is essentially unenforceable until after a tragedy has occurred. It can't be used to preempt a shooting but only to punish the owners afterwards. Those sort of things need to be community driven. The gun community should be talking about storage more and shaming those that don't follow it.

It also implies that everyone's situation at home allows them 1) to purchase two safes and 2) to have room for two safes and 3) limits their ownership of either guns or ammo to the size of that safe. It also doesn't make much sense to have two safes if the person doing the shooting is the one that is buying the ammo and guns in the first place. It also places undue burdens on those that do not have children and do not have children that come into their home.

As much as it is laughed at in California, but when you buy a gun you either need to bring a lock or buy a lock with it. They are the cheapest things, but it's at least a minimum safety that isn't onerous. Even if no one uses them once they get the gun home.

As for operating under a license, what would that do beyond the existing restrictions for procuring firearms? Do they expire and what would happen then?

We need comprehensive laws grounded in addressing specific issues, not something to create an idealistic and narrow view of what gun ownership is or should be.

I think we should have federal programs on gun information and educational programs. We can teach people and build a culture on gun safety and storage. Maybe programs to subsidize the purchasing of safes and reimburse or reward owners that make safe choices.

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

So we just need to solve all depressive disorders, schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, etc., across the entire country. Only then can we solve gun violence.

In the vast majority of instances, having a gun in the home is more dangerous for those living in the house than for any potential threat. Its irresponsible at best and at worst it will cause the deaths of those closest to you.

And before you say it, I do believe some people need guns, but you should be required to have a valid reason to own one, and it should be appropriate amount of firepower for that reason.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To "solve" gun violence, yea. But to significantly reduce it, we only need to make progress.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It was sort of meant to be rhetorical.

Even if I agreed with you, gun control has been proven to work across the world, while not a single country has yet to solve mental health in a meaningful way.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

universal healthcare and basic income, paid with increase in the top 1%'s marginal tax rate, would solve a LOT of Americans problems.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (18 children)

There is a lot we need to do, but gun control is only a small piece of solving gun violence.

Weird how other countries haven't solved these "other issues", yet have managed to curb gun violence.

"No way to prevent this, says only country in the world where this regularly happens"

Gun control works on gun violence as surely as antibiotics do on infections. Now can proper hygiene and a healthy populace make it so there's less need for antibiotics? Yes. But are they still extremely necessary exactly because of how well they work in bacterial infections? Yes.

Gun nuts never have any science to back up their indirect nra propaganda. Gun control advocates do. Here.

https://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/1/140.full.pdf+html . https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/

I'll stay here to wait for any science at all, but it will never come. What I will get is angry gun nuts using shitty "rhetoric" instead of having a single peer reviewed study.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Chief wiggum just standing there and snacking is the cherry on top

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

If I hadn't seen him working that Springfield beat for 30 years, I'd swear he was just transferred from Uvalde

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 106 points 5 days ago (6 children)

For those who haven't heard, yes, there was another school shooting, this time a highschool in Georgia (United States, obviously). 2 students and 2 teachers were killed, nine people injured, and the suspect is in custody. (How they're not dead is beyond me)

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 89 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I've gotten so used to school shootings that I see one like that and think "hooray, only four deaths!"

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it did work out better than others, and yet two teachers and two 14 year old children were killed.

The FBI had been out to see the 14yr old who murdered classmates and teachers. Spoken with his parents, and him. He denied everything, no probable cause, so they put the schools on alert, and that made for a quicker response.

Which means this went really well by comparison to other school shootings, and yet it clearly wasn't good enough - two 14 year old students and two teachera died.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The FBI had been out to see the 14yr old who murdered classmates and teachers. Spoken with his parents, and him. He denied everything, no probable cause, so they put the schools on alert, and that made for a quicker response.

Oh, so we knew this kid was a problem but we didn't actually do anything but tell the school to be ready to get shot up.

What a fucking stupid country.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 days ago (9 children)

They also went to the kids house and investigated, but they didn't have proof of anything that would meet any criteria for arrest, yeah.

So they discussed with the parents, discussed with the school, discussed with the police, etc. I can't say I blame the FBI here for what they were able to do based on anonymous reports about comments made online. I wouldn't feel comfortable with giving any federal agency just free reign to arrest on anonymous reports alone, that's just opening a new form of swatting to me.

But clearly, its not enough, and that's the issue. For example, restricting the access to guns would have been good. Restricting access on a larger scale would be better.

Instead... We have two teachers and two 14yr old kids dead.

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[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 21 points 5 days ago

4 victims is the minimum for it to count as a "mass shooting" by the FBI, which seems like both too many and not enough at the same time.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (27 children)

Yeah I was watching something on TV and they cut to a special news report to cover this. I was shocked. Isn’t there a school shooting pretty much every day now? Why did this warrant cutting into valuable day time TV programming? So I’m watching this breaking news wondering what’s so special about this particular shooting that can’t wait until the nightly news at 10:00, and the local police chief is giving a press conference breaking down in tears about how he never thought he would have to handle a school shooting and I’m like has your dimbass been paying attention to anything that’s been going on in this country for the last few decades? I would expect you to have a manual on your desk with procedures on how to handle this. Instead this yokel is rambling on about good and evil. I just smh.

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[–] Jericho_One@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How they're not dead is beyond me

The boy was white

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[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago

Dark as fuck… but sadly too real

[–] Redruth@feddit.nl 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Statistically insignificant compared to xyz

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So much more people die from cancer than school shootings! Why focus so much on taking away my guns? Fix the cancer instead!

/s

[–] Redruth@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Omg, this! Plus, if the cancer threatens to take over, we gonna need them guns to fight the cancer. #FlawlessLogic

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[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 32 points 5 days ago

Wouah this is some seriously hard hitting meme content.

[–] dave 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

Mine was reversed

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Fucksake. 🥹

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (11 children)

If it was a mental issue, the ruzzians would have a psychiatrist glued to the top of their murder tanks. And no, we don't want a steel tent around each kid to provide them safety. Just don't sell guns to regular stupid people. Wanna own one? Get educated in it's use first. Understand what it's for and keep it safely locked away from kids. The way kids get guns is thru failures in all these safety nets. I frankly don't trust other parents. If a gun was something that only affected you the owner personally, I wouldn't give a hoot. If it sometimes affected others, well then you need a license and insurance. But I mean, if live next door or upstairs, you can have an accident and I end up dead. So I would think 🤔 hmm this needs heavy regulation. To fucking fly a drone you need a license! WTF!

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[–] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 15 points 5 days ago

We know we've been through this a lot because the meme had also went through a lot of reposts.

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