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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I thought I was having a stroke midway that wall of nonsense.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 18 points 3 weeks ago

I always come away from these with either laughing or confusion. Never anything between.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

You need to build up your sovcit propaganda tolerance, after a while you stop seeing individual phrases and most of the content is just chunks of copypasta from wannbe-darknet forums.

Burger King court?

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

"She shook her head yes"

This line is all you need to see to know that this person is a moron or a lunatic.

You don't shake your head to say yes.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

some cultures do, just not ours

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Some people use that phrase to mean “nod”. It’s the same action just a different direction.

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And their point is that they are wrong to do so.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It’s not great phrasing I agree… but it is a common way to describe it.

It’s the action that matters not the description.

If “she” (not clear who) moved her head back and forth in a vertical rotation, it doesn’t matter if you call it “shook her head yes” or “nodded”. The meaning is the same.

If she moved her head back and forth in a horizontal rotation and this person interpreted that as a “yes”, then that is insanity.

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's just not the accepted and used English for those actions. If it was something like "rotated" then it would be ambiguous and subject to interpretation, but the word "shook" already has a meaning

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So it sounds like you’re just not familiar with the phrase. It might not be “accepted and used” in your area, and I agree it’s confusing. But it is common, regardless.

Many examples can be found in your choice of search engine, here’s one result but it’s very very common.

As Schwanz’s granddaughter approached Lemmon’s casket, she shook her head yes and said, “That’s her,” referring to her great-grandmother, Rummerfield.

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not only is "common" unfortunately not a quantitative assertion (and I disagree), many incorrect usages are "common."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_shake

As earlier stated, obviously some people might use the opposite words for a particular effect.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I mean feel free to count search results if you care to assess exactly how common it is. Regardless, writing this phrase is not “insanity”

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure I only said it was wrong.

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Whenever I see that line in books, I have taken it to mean a reluctant yes. As if the person is both shaking their head in exasperation and conceding something to the other person.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's definitely a sign of being disingenuous. Either outright lying or placating the listener.

[–] _bcron@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

'Instrument' means 'weird ass worthless certificate made with bootleg photoshop'

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm sure the instrument in question to discharge the debt references the special trust they believe is setup for them as a Corporation in their name at birth. And somehow the government owns the trust and despite the same government funding this trust, they hope you never use it so the government can get the money back. That's how they try to discharge the debt towards this mythical trust that, if you just know enough magical sovcit phrases, you can access as the 'natural' person named in the trust.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds a lot like socialism to me. With hoops.

Most sovcits also seem to be the libertarian type where the thought of socialism burns them like they're a witch. Makes sense since they're trying to find the magic words to make their debts disappear.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

To be fair, that sounds pretty awesome. If we gave every baby 20,000 dollars and held it for them until college or 20 years old we could actually give our kids a much better start as adults. It would cost roughly 72 Billion dollars a year, about on par with Veterans Affairs. And yeah some of them are going to blow it on a car. But others will turn it into their retirement or get a house or use it for job training.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

You’ve got my vote!

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know if you've noticed but our government has been doing the opposite if what is good for the citizenry for around 4 decades now and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I then said no if they have a problem they have to have a qualified third party state the issue and I then have 30 days to cure. She shook her head yes and did a continuance for 30 days. I when she said that I was like did she really say damn near the exact same thing the judge said to yusef in court!!

Anyone wanna tell him what just happened isn't what he thinks just happened?

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

The judge put off consequences for 30 days. To some, that would seem like a long time.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They truly believe they can cancel a debt if they just say the “right” words like it’s some sort of an incantation.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, and that it bills the secret trust.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago
[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

It took me a good couple of minutes to figure out what "had my spill in my head" was supposed to mean... I'm guessing they meant "spiel" lol

Although with all the terrible grammar in this post it's entirely possible that they did take a nasty spill and landed on their head before they wrote this

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Spiel… more like “absurd machinations”

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

It also works because of the way their word salads spill out of their heads.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 18 points 3 weeks ago

I am so glad most people on lemmy write better than this! 🥰

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A sovereign citizen "guru", as they are called, named Yusef El, from the Moorish sovcit part of sovcits. There are about ten different gurus who offer paid programs to learn all this gobbledygook and convince these dunderheads they're really beating the system.

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What method of payment do they accept?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Now, now. Yusef uses Paypal and Stripe. For just $49.99 US/month you too can learn how to ruin your life.

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Have any of these guys ever succeeded in anything regarding their woefully misguided notions? I would think loss after loss would eventually discourage this nonsense.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The ones who truly lose end up in jail. Some think they "win" when they are granted more time to ~~shallow~~ shape the fuck up before returning to court (they will lose, they just don't see the writing on the wall yet). Lastly are the grifters selling this information to the mindless rubes.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sometimes I wonder if that’s what Trump will do if he loses - convince the sovcits they are outside of the government and they can come work for him in his new nation.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

That's kind of how new nations happen but he's not going to find land for it anywhere in north America. Maybe a equatorial south nation could be bullied into giving his ilk space but I don't think cheetolini's best people could even crayon in the outside of the logistics for that.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

The biggest 'success' I've seen was dropping of a permit issue for a sewage tank, mainly because the county court was just so damn tired of him wasting their time. So, victory?

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, it seems like this lady succeeded here...in getting a 30 day delay, after which she will still be held liable for the debt she owes.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

That's exactly right. The judge in this case seems exceptionally patient with all of the nonsense involved.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Not one blessed thing.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Worst. Shakespeare. Ever.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

Delirium-inducing.