this post was submitted on 05 Aug 2024
243 points (97.6% liked)

News

23608 readers
4065 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

They first arrived at the beginning of July: dozens of masked white supremacists, shuffling out of U-Hauls, to march through Nashville carrying upside-down American flags.

A week later, members of a separate neo-Nazi group, waving giant black flags with red swastikas, paraded along the city’s famed strip of honky-tonks and celebrity-owned bars. The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting, harassed descendants of Holocaust survivors and yelled racist slurs at young Black children performing on a downtown street.

The appearance of white nationalists on the streets of a major American city laid bare the growing brazenness of the two groups, the Patriot Front and the Goyim Defense League. Their provocations enraged and alarmed civic leaders and residents in Nashville, causing the city to grapple with how to confront the groups without violating free speech protections.

Non-paywall link

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 136 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you punch a nazi, and you get two friends to punch a nazi and then they get two friends to punch nazis, before you know it, everyone is punching nazis.

[–] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

My favorite shampoo commercial, even better

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can't go around punching cops.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're not allowed to, but you definitely can.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not for very long, unfortunately

[–] CaptainKickass@lemmy.world 92 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Make the world a better place

Punch a Nazi in the face

[–] AnalogJack@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 9 points 4 months ago

My ex worked at a local screen printing shop, and I hung out there a lot and made some cash during big orders. I went to the owner with a simple "punch more nazis" design I made stoned, half jokingly asked him to burn the design so my ex could print it for me.

It was the business version of that genie "thats dope you still have 3 wishes" meme - "yea I'll burn it in the morning you know where the extras (leftover unused shirts) are 🤷‍♂️"

We never got along super well but we knew where we agreed lmao

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 80 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting,

Arrest. Them. Holy shit, that's something that in any reasonably sized city would be worth at least a night in jail to cool off, even if you were some fucking normie instead of a neonazi fuck. It's not that fucking hard.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Both you and @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world are arguing the same point. The only difference is @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world wants nobody arrested and you want to also arrest the Nazis.

First of all ACAB let it be known. However I think it's more likely to get a local city council to allow for anyone using intimidating imagery, (defined by swastika and similar iconography) to be detained and removed from chambers. It's been done elsewhere with great effect.

The issue is how to get it enforced because unfortunately, those that burn crosses are the same that join forces.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/public-display-of-swastika-in-the-us

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Treat them like our American predecessors did. If they're wearing swastikas then shoot the fuckers.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Sounds right to me. Nazis invaded Europe, tried to take over the world, and slaughtered millions in gas chambers. The US military should be deployed to arrest or neutralize Nazis whenever they appear.

[–] fpslem@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago

For starters, it can not arrest the bartender that punched a nazi after that nazi started a fight.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/dont-just-stand-by-man-recounts-being-hit-by-neo-nazi-protesters/

My dude didn't deserve to be arrested, he deserved to drink for free throughout Lower Broadway!

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I don't give a flying fuck about a Nazi's First Amendment rights, just like they don't give a flying fuck about anyone else's rights.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

Jake and Elwood knew how to handle it.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Arrest them for an unlawful assembly like they do to everyone else they don't want marching.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

No, that's only for black people and Muslims. "Unlawful" assembly for neo-nazis is just met with a shrug.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

How would the pigs marching there arrest themselves?

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 40 points 4 months ago

Gather up all of your neighbors and go punch some Nazi trash.

[–] Hptyhop84@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The greatest generation knew how to deal with Nazis. Flamethrowers, bombs, artillery & bayonets. That's all the conversation needed.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

No, no, you see, war is bad, therefore, we should take the high road and let the Nazis slaughter us while we lodge diplomatic complaints at the UN in the hope of getting them to stop, eventually, someday. /s

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Point.

Laugh.

Call them "weird".

Make them realize how unpopular they really are.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

Briefly, then go all out ignoring them

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Laugh at and ridicule them. Make it very clear that you aren't scared of them and that they're rejects of society who amount to nothing. Take away their sense of power and they'll leave. It's worked in the past on several occasions.

[–] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago

“Take off your mask and pose for a picture, coward.”

Remind them that they are cowards again and again.

[–] resin85@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 months ago
[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why are you asking questions the mods won't let me answer?

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There was a Nazi rally/anti-protest in my city like a year or so ago and all the LGBTQ+ people (including my sister and I) showed up to protest their bullshit with 3 times as many people and shut that shit down hard.

But it still pisses me off the city allowed those pricks to even gather in the first place.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago

But it still pisses me off the city allowed those pricks to even gather in the first place.

First Amendment basically means the government can't bar people from rallying or protesting based on what beliefs they are doing so in the name of. Same reason why there are no hate speech laws, and why basically the only expression that is inherently criminal is expression that requires doing another crime to create (think child pornography, as you can't make it without sexually abusing children).

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

In 1943-45, you just shot them.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I vote snipers.

Aim for the hoods.

This is why I don't get to run a town, but I stand by my opinion here.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 4 months ago

This is why I don't get to run a town

Have you tried making your own city, ala BioShock? Doesn't have to be under water. Though it might help.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Reload when it goes "click".

[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly, I can't for the life of me imagine that these clowns are in the majority in any major city.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How do you do that, when they protest illegally? They go in without permits in u-hauls and just create chaos out of nowhere. It's planned, but not in the public eye.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Then it's not a question of free speech, I suppose. I'm not from the US, but I assume that demonstrations have to be registered in your country too. If this is the case, the police can easily crack down, break up these illegal gatherings, impose fines and so on. I am of course aware that there are sympathizers among the police - but they have to abide by the law if they want to keep their jobs. I don't understand why there is any need for a discussion about freedom of expression at all when these demonstrators just disrupt public order and try to intimidate people. That has nothing to do with freedom of speech - sound more like a felony to me.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I absolutely agree but I'm many cases they hide behind masks and then take off before enough meaningful presence can be mustered against them, even in a big city like Nashville. These guys are cowards that rely on significant advantage of numbers and surprise to intimidate. Then take off before anybody has time to do anything about it.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well, that's a real problem. In this case, there is probably nothing much to do but rely on the civil courage of citizens and hope that someone will at least take down the license plate number or that maybe a critical mass will form quickly enough to detain these idiots until the police arrives. I am glad that such actions by fascists do not (yet) exist in my country (Germany). In the city where I live, even a whole bunch of sad Nazis would have no fun at all if they tried something like that. But that can be quite different elsewhere in my home country too. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you find a way to deal with these morons. Be save!

Edit: In Germany, this kind of behavior might be enough to be investigated for forming a terrorist organization - which is what is being attempted here: spreading terror. Perhaps you can collect signatures to persuade your representatives to take action.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 4 months ago

They are being disruptive in a way that isn't kind; arrests would be the best way to deal with them. They are white nationalists, shouting slurs at black people who are fellow citizens in the USA, we should not let them believe this behavior will go unpunished. It will make it worse in the future, enabling hate groups to thrive is something a sane country should never allow.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Beat the ever loving shit out of them. Remember, you didn't see anything.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

There are several amendments for that

[–] AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

turn a blind eye to the black bloc stalking them

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago
[–] cynthorpe@discuss.online 2 points 4 months ago

lol. My comment about killing Nazis got removed by these right-wing mods

load more comments
view more: next ›