rip
this post was submitted on 31 Jul 2024
129 points (100.0% liked)
chapotraphouse
13452 readers
663 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank
Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here
Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
Lenin was also heavily influenced by Kropotkin, there's even a conversation between the two you can read.
One of my favorite parts: “How glad I am to see you, Vladimir Ilyich! You and I have different views. We have different points of view about a whole series of problems, both as far as the execution and organization is concerned, but our goals are the same and what you and your comrades are doing in the name of communism, pleases me very much and makes my already aging heart happy. But now you are making life hard for the cooperatives and I am in favor of tcooperatives!”
Even in general disagreement in method, Kropotkin still recognized and critically supported Lenin. Mass Left Unity is the only path to victory.
Hell, the last chapter of State and Revolution is basically a primer on Council Communism implemented as a form of Anarcho-Syndicalism
How glad I am to see you, Vladimir Ilyich! You and I have different views. We have different points of view about a whole series of problems, both as far as the execution and organization is concerned, but our goals are the same and what you and your comrades are doing in the name of communism, pleases me very much and makes my already aging heart happy. But now you are making life hard for the cooperatives and I am in favor of tcooperatives!
like yeah that sucks about the coops but idk i like to see the critical support
Lenin goes on to reply “But we are also in favor of them!”, Vladimir Ilyich exclaimed loudly, “only we are opposed to cooperatives behind which kulaks, big landowners, merchants and private capital hide. We only want to tear off the mask of these pseudo-cooperatives and give the opportunity to big layers of the population to participate in a real cooperatives!”
They disagreed on the nature of many of these coops, and where to direct their movement. Kropotkin ultimately stood firm on his defense of cooperatives in total, while Lenin was skeptical that they could loosen restrictions during such a sensitive time.
It's a good read for Anarchists and ML's alike, both sides had legitimate concerns and mutual respect.
I, for one, have entirely converted to Anarchism-Maoism
idk that sounds kind of radical. have you tried anarcho bidenism instead
I'm waiting for Biden's brain to rot enough so he pierces through the veil and starts communicating with the great Posadas
We are KPAM pilled, we are in our Great Leap Forward era, we are working on our backyard iron smelting.
WTF 
Well, well, well
Ok constantly be told here that most anarchists support AES states so I guess this checks out 
Pretty much all anarchists left here do. Most anarchists you'll find anywhere else online have serious anti-"tankie" brainworms
and most anarchists you find IRL don't give a fuck about any of that and want you to come help them feed the homeless or tag the local overpass
and most anarchists you find IRL don't give a fuck about any of that
That hasn't really been my experience irl. They do good local activism but the "anti-tankie brainworms" tend to rear their head anytime anything involving stuff outside of the countries borders.
Every anarchist I know irl is very pro-Ukraine for example.
Came to say this was my experience as well.
Honestly, I think most ML have experienced this sort of thing, if you go to any other online ML space besides this one you're hear anecdotes about this sort of thing a lot. But I think people are nervous about violating the anti-sectarian rule and/or offended the anarchists who post here so they feign having never heard of such a thing.
I was wondering the same thing if it was the rules or people here genuinely had way better IRL experiences than me (very possible) I have zero issue with Anarchists; but I have the same experience as you with the brainworms IRL. Anarchists here are awesome and I'd wish they were more common around where I am.
Yeah we just have the best anarchists here, and an anti-sectarianism rule to protect them.
Irl anarchists have been very different in my experience.
We scared away the ones that don't. Which has been the case with most anarchists I've met irl. Our remaining anarchists are just especially compatible with communists.
OH FUCK WE WERE WRONG AAAAAA
