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Update: The parties of the left coalition have publicly reaffirmed their commitment to the coalition, sending a message to Macron that they will not govern under the liberals

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[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 108 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I want to say, I'm French and this is reassuring. Sure it's not a massive victory for the left, because New Popular Front is full of succdems, but it's actually a massive defeat for the far right and the media who support them. It's cool that their demonizing of the only truly anti-racist party (LFI) didn't work. It's also a small defeat for the neolibs who are just in the low phase of their cycle of holding power.

We'll see if fuckhead president will choose to take full power and rule alone or take a succdem imperialist prime minister and continue business as usual

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 67 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Oh yeah this is much more a story of Macron’s negative political instinct and a massive fumble by the far right with a wide open door as a path to power. This is a HUGE rejection of the far right

[–] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 58 points 4 months ago

i want to believe but ive been so broken by the crushing of the yellow vest and retirement protests that nothing short of a revolution will give me hope... I'm still happy the far right got their asses handed to them after months of media circus

[–] camaron30@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He tried to imitate Pedro Sánchez, but he didn't realize that Pedro's instincts are out of this world.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

tbf pedro bungled his first few tries at snap election, and he never got what he wanted which was an absolute majority, ended up having to do what he didn't want which was letting podemos into the government

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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

It doesn't matter how rejected they are, history is proven they're willing to coup governments ruled by people too cowardly to oppose them.

Time will tell how this will turn out.

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago (4 children)

So, what does this mean for future legislation in France? Or the Presidential race once Macron's term is up?

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So, what does this mean for future legislation in France?

The big question is whether or not Macron is going to uphold the tradition of naming a prime minister elected by the majority faction of the National Assembly. If he does so maybe France will have some social democracy as a treat and recognise the state of Palestine if we're lucky.

He could also not give a fuck as far as I know, French president is a de-jure dictator in the fifth republic's constitution.

He could also resign which would be.... funny I guess?

Or the Presidential race once Macron’s term is up?

Too soon to know about that. Mélenchon could come back or not, if he doesn't nobody knows who would run for LFI. The next mainstream neolib too is unknown. The only certain thing is that we have our Party For Racism that will probably be a threat as usual

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 61 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hate to be a downer but... It is good and valuable that the fash didn't do as well as all the talking heads on TV predicted/hoped. It is also good that the centre-left coalition is the largest block, ahead of the various reactionary ones.

But... but... We are celebrating that the "left", and by left we include succdems and libs, got roughly a third of the seats in parliament. That the left, by the widest possible definition of the term, is a minority.

I don't know French politics but I know centrist liberals. They might be mad about the fash eating their lunch but ultimately they are going to follow the class interest they represent and side with the fash against the left, especially if the fash offers to support a liberal government in return for crackdowns on those deemed inferior.

Sweden used to be the prime example of "good liberals" with the succdems and the "respectable" right agreeing to keep the fascist SD party away from all influence. But in the end the temptation grew too big and now Sweden is ruled by a right-wing regime supported by the fash.

I will be surprised if the "respectable" French centre-right doesn't end up doing something similar in the end.

[–] 666PeaceKeepaGirl@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think RN/Ensemble coalition is unworkable, at least right now. Macron's brand is staked too much in being the safeguard against the fascists, and I don't see RN having any reason to hitch themselves to what has been a very unpopular administration. At the very least, these results mean that if either Macron or RN wants a functional right-wing government, the political costs are going to be severe.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

but allying with centrist party tanks the ideological party, so the danger is in npf working with ensemble, and tanking its support by doing grown-up realistic compromises

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago

PLEASE I WANT TO BELIEVE ooooooooooooooh

[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 49 points 4 months ago
[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 48 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 72 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We need to praise the greatness of comrades in all nations.

Think of the great contributions to our immortal movement made by British and French socialists.

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

america sucks shit

[–] MarieFontenot@hexbear.net 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Always knew French people were based! Don't check my posting history.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

@frogwordcountbot

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

The Internet Communist Community has Forgiven France

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I was happy about this, then I saw that they want to keep sending weapons to Ukraine and back a two-state solution in Palestine. Still better than the demokkkrats but that’s a low bar. The French left still hasn’t learned how they lost everything after 1945 because of their appalling foreign policy, especially with regard to Algeria and Vietnam.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Melenchon just announced that France will recognize Palestine asap which is better than nothing

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can't expect more from sucdems I guess, the most important thing is fascism is halted for now at least.

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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The NPF isn't so much "the french left" as it is the french left (pc and lfi) with eurocuck greens and center left neoliberals (second largest member), it doesn't shock me that stuff like nato and ukraine aren't even on the table as discussable topics

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[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wake me up if they actually start implementing non-neoliberal policies

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

François Hollande, former head of the Socialist Party, is the controversial figure who started the Pension reform because French populace needs to live austere in difficult time.

This party is one of the main members of this left coalition

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The same Hollande who admitted to sabotaging Minsk agreement? Lmao, "the left".

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

HOPE MANIFESTED

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I imagine these polls are framed along the lines of the US ones where they ask shit like "on a scale of 1 to 5, how liberal are you?"

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Very liberal (pcf)

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

Commune of France when???

[–] hellyesbrother@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

How 'left' are the NPF? Soc dem?

[–] Taster_Of_Treats@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Its a grouping of 5 smaller leftish parties, so pretty ideologically diverse. It only came together like two months ago per CNN, ad hoc when Macron called for the general election.

Their main unifying factor is not wanting the far right in control.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Whatever disagreements I might have with them, full respect for moving so quick on this.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Center left neoliberals (your modern socdems) are the second largest party in the coalition, the first are left populists based around the celebrity character of Melenchon, the 3rd are green eurocucks and 4th are the old school communists, then there's a sputtering of center to left parties

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

Real Gallic Patriots are in charge

Trust in the plan

[–] Satanic_Mills@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So what stops the Macronites & the far right forming a coalition?

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

This is not American “liberals” who would govern alongside the far right and call it healthy bipartisanship, a coalition of the French liberals and far right would be a dual political suicide

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