This fucking guy...
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I mean, what do you expect him to say?
He just needs to keep his yap shut for one more day and he can start fixing things. And our absence in the EU is something that needs to be fixed.
and he can start fixing things
Lol, he has given absolutely no indication in his political career of any intention to fix anything (that matters to you and me, rather than capitalists and the rest of the establishment he represents, that is).
You want him to be quiet, but he keeps telling you over and over and over and over again who he really is, why won't you listen????
The policies to start nationalising a bunch of public services, abolishing no fault evictions, and the bolstered housing targets are all pretty solid. The additional union laws to help protect workers rights is amazing too.
I agree with your sentiment, none of the much needed structural change is going to occur. But he's a damn lot better than the Tories and a reason to feel somewhat optimistic.
I'm actually downright ecstatic at the idea of there being a pro-EU LibDem opposition to a Labour party that largely has pro-EU members (even if they need to tow the party line). A boring "left" party being opposed by an also boring "left" opposition sounds damn right cheery after the last 14 years. Hopefully it'll at least shift the conversation away from deporting people to Rwanda and into more sane territory
it’ll at least shift the conversation away from deporting people to Rwanda and into more sane territory
I agree, although the whole my lifetime is fucking arrogant and anti-democratic considering how close the vote was.
What worries me more is failing to have any real left of centre opposition.
This will lead to the right thinking they are safe to head far further right.
While failing to give the public any hope of real change. So 4 to 5 years from now. What sort of choice will we have. With polling showing Tory and reform with approx 36% between them. And any real left wing opinion being irrelevant in current polling due to 0 main party representation. The centre is moving pretty far right in general.
But then I said much the same in my late 20s prior to the 97 election. And little has convinced me I was wrong. So with any luck. My health means I won't see the shithole we end up with.
I think if substantial change is what you're expecting from a Labour/Starmer government, then you're going to be disappointed.
https://www.politico.eu/article/keir-starmer-labour-party-uk-election-u-turns/
Honestly I'd settle for a slight deceleration in things getting worse. Starmer wants to restore hope and faith in politics. He's got his work cut out for him.
I'm sure his saying nothing would go down really well.
He can agree with the referendum and say we won’t join whilst he’s leader. But to say lifetime is a long fucking time
Basically this. If it's a Ming vase strategy that's one thing, but this is overcommitting to the bit, if so.
Because you'll also need to convince the other members of the EU that we aren't going to come in, shit in the corner and then fuck off again?
Yes it's a long time, but we have burnt so many fucking bridges.
It's almost as if he needs to say these things to get elected.
I don't credit that one bit. Going back is an increasingly popular view, and then there's the whole Russian interference angle; it was a bad idea with a fumbled execution. Why commit, because it's gone so well for us?
Because it'd be political suicide to go back on it.
At least pretend to want what's best for the country, if he expects to be given the reigns to it?
We had the mountain of evidence of how bad it would be before it happened, now we've been at it for a couple of years and every single negative prediction has come true. Saying he not only won't try to mend the situation himself, but that no one will/should in his lifetime (I assume he gives himself at least another 25-30 years), is telling you he doesn't give a fuck about the wellbeing of the country nor its people, only about those in power who are loving being able to abuse us more as citizens without the EU and their damn human rights looking over their shoulder..
in my lifetime.
What a fucking arsehole. I'm 53, so the UK joined with a 74% yes vote. And left again on a fucking close vote. Within my lifetime.
Based on that history, what the fuck right does anyone have to predict that far in the future. It is just arrogance. And has 0 relation to democracy.
Try harder Starmer. We’re only voting you in because a lot of the other parties are full of bastards, do something worthwhile!
I really strongly disagree with this sentiment. I think this man will be a very successful progressive prime minister who really leads the country back towards the left and a compassionate state.
And I really, really hope you’re right.
Left
Speak for yourself
Average life expectancy for a 61 year-old man is 85, in which case we won't rejoin till 2048 at the earliest.
What about a 61 year old millionaire Londoner?
Those sweet sweet Labour Brexit votes. Give them unto him.
Probably realistic unfortunately ☹️
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Keir Starmer has insisted the UK will not rejoin either the EU, the single market or the customs union within his lifetime, in his firmest pledge yet that Labour will not seek much closer relations with Europe for as long as he is prime minister.
Some have suggested this reluctance to talk about the issue masked a desire to pursue re-entry to the customs union or single market during a second Labour term, something other senior figures in the party have failed to rule out.
Starmer spent his final day on the campaign trail travelling around the UK, starting with a stop in south Wales attended by dozens of Labour activists and candidates.
Starmer’s first days in office are likely to be spent battling various crises – including one in Britain’s full-up prisons, which the Institute for Government suggested on Wednesday could be alleviated by cutting average sentences.
Starmer suggested on Wednesday he was open to such an idea, saying: “In terms of the specific things that we will do, we’ll have to wait and see what that is, but I can’t stand here and pretend to you or everybody else that we can build a prison in 24 hours after the election result is called.
As well as the immediate crises with which he will be grappling, Starmer has also begun to talk about the long-term challenges facing a Labour government, including taking on the threat of rightwing populism.
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