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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 176 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a programmer we sometimes might look like we are not doing much from the outside but actually we're dead inside thank you

[–] insufferableninja@lemdro.id 35 points 5 months ago (4 children)

ptogrammer, i think you mean

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago

Shhh don't tell my boss I'm a PTOgrammer 😎🍹

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[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 89 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I honestly needed to hear this today, so thank you. I'm at work trying to work out someone else's uncommented code and have just been staring at it mumbling to myself. I'm new to the position so I'm anxious my new coworkers will think I'm just dicking around... This is the validation I needed. Thanks everyone!

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 70 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Say out loud to yourself, "What the hell is this?" or, "Why did they do it this way?" once in a while. Everyone around will think you know exactly what you're doing.

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 92 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 18 points 5 months ago

I can hear the vocal inflections in this comic.

[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago

exactly. like a former boss of mine said: if they are complaining, they are working!

[–] ElCanut@jlai.lu 8 points 5 months ago

From what I learned in my workplace, it seems that for most people the best way to appear competent is to continuously criticize the work of your colleagues

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I don't know your circumstances, but it is usually OK to just ask. Especially if the original author is around. Don't do it all the time and you'll be OK. Even can come with positive image out of it, if you ask the right questions.

Other than that, I found that the current llms like ChatGPT (and perhaps Claude) are very good at explaining code, most of the time, for some languages ;)

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[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 72 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I find for coding problems it's actually better to walk away and let it tick over in your mind.

You'll often get a shower thought type moment.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That works for pretty much anything.

Get up and do anything else for a while. School teaches us to sit at our desks and work on the problem. Stop acting like a sixth grader.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That works for pretty much anything. Get up and do anything else for a while.

This got me fired from the daycare

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 5 months ago (3 children)

A true software developer will also raise their hands in celebration when they finally solve a problem that’s been plaguing them.

Even if you’re working from home, alone.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 5 months ago

I often cackle maniacally when I solve something in a particularly effective way.

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes I even stand up.

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[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 31 points 5 months ago

My personal favourite is to break from staring after 30 mins, exclaim, “Hang on, we’re going about this completely back to front!” then spend the next hour deriving from first principles, only to arrive back at the original problem, but now with slightly different notation. At which point I realise that all I’ve done is get myself back to my starting point… Then it’s back to the staring.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Aside from "learning to spell hypnotized or just trusting your phone knows better than you," there are a bunch of tricks we use.

  1. Staring at it and going over the code path
  2. Talking to a proverbial duck
  3. Going out for a proverbial cheeseburger
  4. Sleeping on it

Half of these tricks force the brain to stop confirming and start seeing, which is our biggest error source. The rest of these tricks let the problem ruminate in our subconscious which is sometimes really good at solving shit.

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[–] sep@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] perishthethought@lemm.ee 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I used to work in an office with 4 other developers. It was a common occurrence to have the lights go off in the room, for energy saving.

Simone would wave their arm, then go back to staring.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

God bless Simone

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At least they’re moving. Sometimes it goes off and nobody reacts at all.

Sometimes figuring out what you’re supposed to do is most of the project.

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[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I work in a dedicated room in my house (remote developer). During the day I don’t really need to turn the lights on—windows and a skylight. The sun sets and sometimes I really just don’t notice. My wife will come in at some point and scold me for working in the dark, claiming it’s bad for my eyes (as if staring at a screen all day isn’t already).

I actually rather enjoy that rather not-subtle marker of the passage of time and how entrancing “the zone” can be such that I fail to even notice that.

[–] justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 months ago

My math teacher in high school always said "math is 90% looking" and if you didn't get the task directly: "look again" ... Funny part is, that actually worked for most of the class xD

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago

I refer to the process as "loading" and it helps so much when coding, debugging or even playing puzzle games

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If staring at it isn't giving the results you expect, try not staring at it. Math, much like photons, functions differently when observed.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What I do is I read over something, take a nap, and then read it over again. If I don't get it after that I'll ask someone for help.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

Taking a break helps a lot. I like to multitask for this reason and to not feel like wasting time. Also, important to remember to eat. There's an obvious drop in my clarity of mind right before lunch.

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

100%. Really, just go do something other than what you've been focusing on, then come back to it. When I was coding, I would go take a walk when I'd get stuck. 9 times out of ten the answer would pop into my head when I'd stepped away. A few times I even dreamed of the answer while sleeping.

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 18 points 5 months ago

Don't ask him, he will be angry and mumbling something about "the zone".

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 months ago

I had a theoretical math professor. He said something along the lines of, "Being a theoretical math professor is the best job in the world. You can lean back in your chair, put your feet on your desk and close your eyes, and no one can tell if you're working or having a nap."

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tbh a good builder/technician will do this too when faced with a complicated fix

Same thing; every action has an opposite reaction, whether it's code or physical engineering

[–] Swemg@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm a carpenter, I do high end stuff for rich people with really expensive pieces of wood. I'll stare as much as I need to on the issues I have or even before starting anything. Need to think about every way it could go wrong.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’ve often been accused of looking angry when I’m thinking about a problem. Of course I’m angry! How dare the solution allude me! 😡

[–] ma11en@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably alluding to the fact that it's eluding them 🤷

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

If I intimidate it by staring at it long enough, it'll work eventually.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't like coding, so I became a systems administrator.

Today, I spent about three hours "coding" a script. Before I started my testing phase to see if all the code put together would work as intended, I just did a pass over the code. I literally just stared at it for a solid 20+ minutes to make sure it made sense.

I imagine any form of "real" programming is going to require a lot more staring for a lot longer just to make sure the code isn't profoundly screwed up.

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[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Whenever I'm asked for help by IT colleagues, I never say I'll help solve an issue. I just say "Sure, I'll come help stare at it for a while" - it's the most I can really promise.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn, I can't think about something for more than a minutes or two without getting distracted... Maybe I'm the one who's broken.

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[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Wait until she walks in on him explaining the problem out loud to a rubber duck.

[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Programmers do that a lot? I always just start trying stuff in the command line until it works. It's in research though, so maybe different from what is typical developer stuff?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (6 children)

"Fuck it, let's try [blank]" is absolutely a valid debugging mechanism. Whether you get the same problems or fascinating new problems - you learned something about what's wrong.

Now go take a walk and let your brain figure out what it means.

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[–] MBM@lemmings.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Meetings where you're working on a problem together are also fun. Just a bunch of people staring silently at a whiteboard.

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