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How can you only assume you’ll win? It’s not like democrats are willing to play dirty against republicans so there’s no guarantee either. You demand my unquestioned loyalty yet you’re so bad at politicking. Of course, I’m not here to pretend democratic politicians are weak or dumb. They’re just evilly indifferent.

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 52 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You see, if they were to do anything uncivil to stop the evil fascist trump that would make them exactly as fascist as he is

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

this is unironically true. civility is literally the only difference between the parties and libs know it

Death to America

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 49 points 4 months ago

This is why I don't take them seriously. They clearly don't believe their own bullshit or they wouldn't just be voting.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They would enjoy the fuck out of the second vision. It would give them an opportunity to be smug about something AND watch minorities suffer.

The narcissistic savior complex + I-told-you-so dynamic

A liberal power fantasy

[–] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, they do not want to be the savior in that scenario, they want to gloat about marginalized people becoming martyrs. The suffering is the point. It is also why it wasn't an oversight from them to not protect Roe, to not protect trans rights, to not make sure that they aren't coming for gay and interracial marriage next: When you have nothing to offer but being the lesser evil, this means that the greater evil must remain a serious threat.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

This is the perfect summary of their lesser evil nonsense. I'd like to add: they hate the minorities just as much as the conservatives they attack. They really feel we need to be thankful for their "help and sacrifices" when they do less than nothing.

I'm still shocked Biden's "you ain't black" comment isn't brought up in their circles anymore.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

Liberals do so love having their cake and eating it too, especially for brunch

[–] davel@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

all they know is jerrymander’s, call they donors, campaign, be bipartisan, eat hot chip & lie

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Pelosi or Schumer would die if they ate a single hot chip

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Here's how we can do the funniest prank ever glee

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What are they supposed to do? They aren't aUtHoRiTaRiAnS!

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

*Exceptions include: students protesting for Gaza, POC protesting for BLM, kids asking for help on climate change...

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 months ago

Or immigration

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The god damn soviets tried to launch a coup after being taken over by hostile pro-western forces. Even if the democrats failed like them, I would have some respect because they’re putting money where their mouth is at. But it’s very clear that no one in that party actually believes in the threats they spew out because in their dystopian fantasy, Biden is nowhere to be found. The party is nowhere to be found. You’re just in a camp already. It is punishment from the dems, and their voters are willing to eat that shit up and blame you for it.

These guys want to complain about Islamist terrorists being incentivized by martyrdom, but nothing grants you higher honor and prestige in liberalism than failing violently in the eyes of oppression, because striking back is authoritarian.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago

Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've found that asking them this causes something important to break in their brains

Makes 'em go feral

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All it ever did was get me a wordless ban everywhere else.

[–] RustCat@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Do liberals even believe that Trump is that much of a threat to democracy and the US?

I've been thinking about it, and I kind of wonder, like if you had an absolute and unshakable belief that Trump was going to destroy democracy in the US, and that the destruction of democracy in the US would lead to the destruction of society as a whole.

Well why hasn't anyone tried to do anything naughty to Trump yet?

Of course, if you don't believe Trump is going to destroy democracy, or if you don't think that the destruction of democracy is that bad, then who cares. But it seems like liberals truly believe that American society is doomed if Trump is elected, so why haven't they taken that last step?

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

If they really believed it Trump's plane would have a grenade juggling incident

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If we beat the fascists by undermining democracy then we will be just as bad as they are!

[–] yuli@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

i disapprove of what fascists say, but i will defend to the death their right to say it. fascists might hate minorities, but ~~commies~~ tankies hate freeze peach and freedom and america and that’s worse

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean ironically by continuously threatening us with Trump, liberals have revealed they will in fact support Trump's hypothetical anti-minority policies

Which leaves us no choice but to hope Trump wins so the pro-genocide establishment that we call the US political elite is no longer united and becomes divided by internal rivalries, further weakening it and allowing for the opportunity of a new kind of politics to emerge naturally

Liberal's hysterical reaction to the likelihood of Trump winning points to this as their greatest fear

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

God they will be so insufferable, they really going to lean into the dumb backwards "rednecks" deserve no clean water and starvation bc they voted Republican.

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Keep in mind these are the same people that will unquestioningly condemn any kind of violent protest against the state (which they also claim is on the edge of nuking civilians en masse if you dont vote ). You must change peoples' minds peacefully (while they do violent oppression and genocide).

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

this is the most important election of our lives

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

They've never had a contingency plan, either.

[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

This is what they want. If they have no backstop or supposed ability to hold back the worst depravities of the Republicans, then they can try to use that threat to extort support without offering anything real or concrete besides being a separate party from the Republicans while taking money from the same donors.

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It’s so bizarre how liberals ignore local elections. I don’t even hear them making a peep about US senate races. Honestly a savvy tactic would be to concede to the left on Biden and then focus on the state and local level. 2020 wasn’t even really a win for the democrats because even though they got the presidency, the GOP made a lot of headway everywhere else.

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That is a win for the Democrats: power sharing with Republicans is their ideal mode of governance.

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

The perfect excuse to never have to do anything or follow through on any promises.

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

Also, any time Biden "can't do good thing" it's because of Congress. How about getting more Dems in Congress as a strategy then?

Can't fundraise off winning though

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

contingency: find a buncha pocks and go 2A ham (radio) with them

[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

Never forget that Hillary Clinton ran against Trump on a platform of "Trump is an existential threat to the USA and the world" but when she lost she went on vacation before doing speaking tours hawking her book complaining about how its unfair that she lost.

If she really believed that Trump was some unique threat, why didn't she stick around and "fight" if he was some existential threat?