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[–] Starlet@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't really like portraying Russia as the noble knight here, even if their actions work in our favor.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It kinda works if you understand knights as existing to defend oppressing class of feudalism.

But yeah, we don't need to stan modern russia to oppose western imperialism.

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe before the end of the century they'll turn into one of those renagade knights (Florian Geyer, Goetz von Berlinchingen) who fought on the side of the peasants? A comrade can dream.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I put this kind of thing in the same category as Soviet wartime art that depicts the Anglos and Americans positively.

Like yeah, they're not good, but they're on our side and we'd rather have them than not have them.

[–] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago (7 children)

While China has a party moving towards socialism and is showing foresight by doing a lot for climate change and doing arguably-charitable development of African & Asian nations, does Russia do anything cool or good? Seems like they sell fossil fuels, promote intolerant beliefs, and happen to be opposed to the West

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

... and happen to be opposed to the West

Just that really. The ruzzian regime must be promptly overthrown once it outlives its usefulness.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Indeed. Russia will most likely be the next big "enemy of socialism" in the world after the western bloc collapses. The difference is that they'll be much, much weaker than the whole western bloc and will struggle to prevent socialist uprisings in other countries (and hopefully, even in their own).

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, struggle session/tough comradely love time: we don't write "RuZZian" here unironically. It's a lib slur which -- if you look at the way it's typically used -- is directed as much against the Russian people as their government. Don't stoop to the libs' level. (Erich Mielke moment ended).

But on a less antagonistic note : I honestly can see things in Russia going a couple ways as the result of this conflict. One is what you and @DamarcusArt have outlined, which is Russia becoming the next major anti-socialist power. This presupposes a relatively quick collapse of the western bloc. The other is that the world again coalesces into two relatively stable power blocs, and Russia moves in the direction of socialism, in fact if not in name. They will have to do this if they are to remain sovereign in the face of long-term western agression, because fighting imperialism on the basis of the national bourgeoisie is something never works in the long run. Venezuela tried it, and found they had to adopt socialism. The KPRF is to be criticized in many ways, but they still are a large party with many supporters.

There is a third possibility, and I really hope for the sake of the world and the Russian people it doesn't happen: Russia keeps fighting the west, but also remains capitalist. The result will be collapse, balkanization, etc.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use liberal slurs because I am a liberal. This is something I need to work on, because my first and only instinct when seeing an obstacle is to dehumanize it so that I can destroy it more easily. Frankly, I'm nervous to even participate in a party because I can only see myself being a wrecker, intentionally or otherwise.

I don't have anything constructive to say to the rest of your comment besides I hope the third option doesn't come to pass.

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No worries, comrade -- all of us, including yours truly, are a little bit liberal. It comes with growing up in a capitalist society. (Some of us have been even worse things: at the beginning of my political development, I pretty openly flirted with fascism, and was saved by a mentor who pointed out to me just how stupid I was being). You're in a way better place than that -- stay positive!

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago

They do a lot to support global south countries like Nicaragua and Venezuela. Without Russia, these countries would be struggling even more than they already are. Might've even been couped by the US again.

They're not communist by any means, but these days countries are united by their shared grievances against the West rather than ideological agreement. And really, that's the biggest hurdle preventing the development of socialism (western meddling I mean)

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Happen to be opposed to the West is a massive oversimplification

They've shared lots of military knowledge and intelligence with China, DPRK, and Iran

They're close and strong allies with China

They've indirectly fought against the West and defended countries from imperialism in proxy wars in Syria, Ukraine, and all over Africa

They've also proven that they can withstand the biggest sanctions the West can throw and still thrive, providing nations a reliable partner that isn't aligned with the West

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Russia provides security to African countries in a way China is unable or unwilling to. Wagner is in Niger helping deter a French puppet invasion. Before that they were also in Mali and CAR doing similar things.

No doubt they're doing it out of self interest and not charity, but I'm sure those African countries would rather have the military assistance than not.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Opposing what had historically been the only superpower and the current world hegemony is enough really. That is a real big ask. Cause presumably all they would have to do is sell out to the west and they could have all the money they wanted you know?

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cause presumably all they would have to do is sell out to the west and they could have all the money they wanted you know?

You would think that, but 1991 and the following years tells a different story. The West is not willing to consider Russia friendly under any circumstances.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is was to break the spirit of comunism. Now that the revolution there is broken I doubt that ideological controlls are tight enough here to keep the markets from going in if Russia allowed it.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

They're doing great work fighting NATO right now, and taking out the anti-semitic trash from europe.

[–] monobot@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I think we all overestimate Russia's power, now and in the last 70 years.

My thinking is that they spend a lot of energy on defending, there isn't much left for progress.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Not really a fan of this sort of stuff. Dehumanising your enemies and treating them as monsters never ends well.

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Inaccurate. The US head should clearly be in charge, larger, more important, more powerful and imposing than its vassal states France, Germany, Britain, Japan (and the other two, Israel and?). As it is, it's a vampire on them, they are not equal.

[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

A little bit uncomfortable with using the Swine to portray Israel tbh, especially since every other animal head is supposed to represent the emblematic animal of each country.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago
[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Whats the left head? The only flags i know that are blue white blue are argentina and guatemala and greece

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe Israel without the Star of David? But then why is Lil baby Austria hanging off of it?

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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Must be a new thing since federating. Whats the picture?

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh... Weird. It works fine for me over here on lemmygrad. Seems to be Hexbear. It's the flag of is(not)real

[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

oh ok that makes sense, its the right ratio of blue to white cat-trans

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which country is the pig and rat?

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure about the pig, but the rat is Latvia.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Pigsrael and Ratvia

[–] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Rat is Latvia, pig might be Israel or Estonia