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Miami-Dade County Schools officer arrested, 3-year-old son shot himself with her gun: Police (www.usatoday.com)
submitted 6 months ago by Wilshire@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 6 months ago

When detectives searched the mother's home, they found a recently fired gun and the officer's service radio in plain view on the kitchen counter, a police report says. There was no secure gun case, nor a holster present in the area, the report continued.

Jail this piece of shit. Also, this is who gets to exercise authority over students. Wtf

[–] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The only thing that can stop a bad 3 year old with a gun is a good 3 year old with a gun. Arm our toddlers today.

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Kinderguardians!

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I’m genuinely surprised when very little children manage to fire a gun. The safety is usually quite sturdy, the slide is usually far more robust than movies make it appear, and even the trigger can be hefty depending on the gun.

The gun would have to be chambered with the safety off for a three year old to pull the trigger effectively.

Which, to me, speaks of gross negligence that warrants a strong punishment.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The reason many kids shoot themselves is due to many design choices of these guns.

1- no safety, as in theory the officer's gun should only be drawn in life or death situations.

2- a round is already chambered for the same reason as above

3- the trigger pull is probably too heavy for young children to pull it with their pointer finger. This ends up with them reorienting the gun to where the muzzle is pointed at their chest and they use their thumbs to depress the trigger.

It's horrific and every employer whose employee's have firearms should provide a safe of some sort and require it's use while off duty.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

The thumb on the trigger pull makes so much sense. I remember the first time I fired a pistol being surprised at how difficult it was to squeeze the trigger. I'd fired a .22 rifle quite a bit and the pistol felt ridiculous by comparison.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most modern pistols no longer have a mechanical safety separate from the trigger.

Most modern pistols are intended to be carried with a cartridge in the chamber.

Most modern pistols are designed around being handled, stored, and used, without human error.

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Every sentence you made should be illegal. Designing guns to be less safe should land ceo's in prison.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You're assuming that implementing a safety feature makes something safer. That's not always the case.

No sarcasm here, just adding switches and blockers can actually make something less safe. Autopilot features that keep cars in the center of the lane can make the driver less attentive, so it can make the car less safe overall. Softer boxing gloves encourage more head punches, making brain trauma worse. More padding on football players make hits harder, causing more damage overall.

If a manual safety switch on a gun makes people complacent, they could cause more negligent discharges. If people feel that a manual safety switch would make using the gun in an emergency more difficult, they may leave it off, causing the gun to be less safe than if it didn't exist (because the manufacturer would need to design around that).

[–] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 6 months ago

I don't have a strong opinion as to what types of safeties make sense, but a safety is really intended for preventing accidental discharges, not stopping the thing from being fired by a kid playing with it.

I think that the answer is "don't let the kid play with the gun", rather than "add another safety".

Like, it sounds like she got home and just dumped her radio and gun out. The answer to that is to put it away, same as all kinds of poisonous and dangerous other things that you wouldn't want a 3-year-old playing with.

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Reducto ad absurdum

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago

Americans have always to be ready to shoot someone in the face. There is not time for safety

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Congress passed shield laws to protect the companies a very long time ago.

[–] Wilshire@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It might have a trigger safety, but those are pretty damn useless.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What.... What's even the point? You can't pull the trigger, unless you pull the trigger? This is one of the most useless things I've ever seen

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They're intended as a safety to reduce the chances of a malfunction, or a dropped gun causing it to discharge. It's not intended as a safety in terms of accidentally pulling the trigger.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

So it’s a safer, not a safety?

[–] raef@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Meant to prevent misfires. The trigger doesn't directly cause firing: there's a hammer to strike the primer

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I've always heard that safeties provide a false sense of security and complacency. Not sure if there has been any study on that. Trigger safeties are intended to prevent discharges if the gun is dropped or something impacts the trigger.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

The Glock has 3 safeties that prevent it from firing unintentionally. They are extremely reliable but they do not have a locking safety. A locking safety is great when the gun is being handled by someone that shouldn't but this should never be the case. The #1 safety on a gun is the owner. No amount of mechanism on a gun can override the owner. A gun is a tool. I am all for more gun control because there is a gun problem but there is also a people problem and we can't just blame everything on the guns.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yup. The safety can vary, but there absolutely was a round loaded up in the chamber.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That parent is lucky it was the foot, and not the head.

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[–] tearsintherain@leminal.space 8 points 6 months ago

Miami-Dade Schools PD "The largest school police department in the nation"