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concern trolling for voter apathy isn't radical it's boring (lemmy.cafe)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”

Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.

Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.

claim 2: “but genocide joe”

Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands

But trump has promised to be indisputably worse.

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

If your vote doesn't matter so much, why are so many people telling us not to vote?

^^because ^^it ^^does ^^matter

Vote!

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 40 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

AMEN 💯💯💯

all this dialogue is also such a huge spit in the face to the women and POC who FOUGHT for the right to vote. yes, it’s a right with limited scope and fraught with corruption. but to discount it altogether on the public stage is so fucking disingenuous.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

"Voting doesn't change anything, it's pointless and things won't get better"

Woman's suffragists, civil rights protestors, and gay rights protestors: "Are we a fucking joke to you?"

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I’ve seen elections tied that had to go to a coin toss. This flipped the government of a nearby town. Every vote matters.

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[–] Hegar@kbin.social 46 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I'll have a voting against trump is important with a side of fuck you genocide joe.

[–] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

That's good as long as it's acknowledged what the only viable method of voting against Trump is.

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

fuck joe biden. but at the same time, fuck dolan more. I'd rather have 4 more years of relative calm with a shithead that nobody likes than to be subjected to another 4 years (at a minimum) of the crazy shit which is a trump presidency.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 6 months ago

based

[–] Dreizehn@kbin.social 41 points 6 months ago (8 children)

I'll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate. At least the Democrats are not crying about suspending the US Constitution. If you vote for Putin's Sock Puppet, you're voting for a dictator.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Beyond regularly voting in solidarity. We need to start running these younger better candidates ourselves. Republicans run unopposed in many places on state ballots. And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions. We might not win all or even a large chunk of them. But we could by accident when a few and start building new coalitions from there. Making inroads into places that had given up on getting better. Voting is only the first step.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (20 children)

And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions.

Michelle Vallejo is 32. Democrats cut her funding in her election against Monica De La Cruz in the crucial last month, during an election cycle in which the party did ad buys for MAGA candidates.

Younger, better candidates run. Party leadership prefers a maga chud to a progressive in any given position.

Vallejo is running again. I hope she has alternate funding this time.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's the real issue here: neoliberals are more comfortable with fascism than progressivism or socialism, but most of the younger generation is (justifiably) disillusioned with liberalism, so of course the neoliberals Democratic Party is having a hard time finding candidates it wants to support.

The solution, of course, is to kick out the fucking neolibs that have a stranglehold on the party, but that's easier said than done.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

I’ll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate.

I'll vote for the lesser of two evils and don't care one bit about his age. But I consider his support for genocide to be morally repugnant, and bitterly resent being manipulated into a position where my vote renders me monstrous.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (6 children)

According to Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the UN, the Obama administration absolutely committed war crimes. Voting matters, and no matter what you think of Biden he is infinitely better than Trump, but don't roll your eyes and pretend that the people complaining about extrajudicial murder-robots are crazy. Credible institutions believe Obama violated international law with his drone program, you don't get to pretend that's fake because you don't like it.

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[–] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago

One person is a politician, and one is a rapist con artist. I'll take the politician please.

[–] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In Quebec, we have a saying that I would like to share with you. It comes from our love for complaining. We are completely addicted to complaining about everything. It's our third national sport after Hockey and curling.

"If you don't vote, you can't complain"

If you vote for a person and they don't do the promised thing, you can complain. You have an ~~excuse~~ reason.

If you vote for a person and someone else gets elected, you can complain that the person you voted for would have done a better job.

If you do NOT vote, you didn't do shit. You didn't do the strict minimum. You have no excuse to complain about any of it, because you did not participate in the decision.

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[–] Blackmist 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It is rather convenient that 2024 is the year everyone is choosing to be upset about dead Palestinians, but double tap drone strikes are definitely a war crime.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Rome-Statute.pdf

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

i mean the title genuinely. obama did war crimes. that is a true unironic statement.

let me see about editing the title it seems to be causing confusion.

edit: okay fixed. i do want to push back on your statement tho. everyone is NOT suddenly getting mad about dead palestinians. people have been pissed about the apartheid regime in israel for decades. be careful with your assertions here.

[–] Blackmist 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm happy to accept that there's people who have been concerned for a long time about Israel. I've seen protests about 15 years ago in my own city in the UK, for about an afternoon. Never saw it again. Never saw any protests about any other genocides happening around the world, like Darfur, only this one.

But what's new is linking it to a sitting US president, in an election year. Israel's genocide has been supported by everyone since Truman recognised it a day after it was set up. The USA is a genocidal country literally built on genocide.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It is rather convenient that 2024 is the year everyone is choosing to be upset about dead Palestinians

Talk about your daring takes.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

who's saying voting doesnt change anything?

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (39 children)

The people who don't want you to vote.

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[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Russian state trolls

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And Republicans who know better and want you to stay home. They're the same ones who lie about the date of the elections.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

It's fucking nuts to me that we went through this EXACT SAME PROPAGANDA in 2016. Literally. Russians and Republicans invading leftist spaces with their faux "As a lifelong Democrat" bullshit. We didn't learn.

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

A bunch of assholes, not limited to Lemmy. You'll see them pop up soon.

[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

The fish in the meme

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 13 points 6 months ago

enough to be scary for someone who doesn’t like seeing human rights stripped

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

votes 3rd party

and now we let the copium roll in

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