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Hi new user here. I’ve been checking out Lemmy but the amount of bias is ruining it for me. For example the front page right now has 7 out of 20 submissions that contain the word Trump in a negative context. I don’t care about Trump but when the front page is all political posts attacking Trump I have to wonder about the health of the site.

In the most simple sense, could Republican submissions survive on Lemmy politics community ignoring the voting behavior or would the site and moderators itself actively suppress it to “keep the peace”? I think this gets to the heart of the question and again, this isn’t political to me, it’s purely mechanical. I think that if a social media site has a community called “politics” that is solely made up of stories promoting one party while shitting on the other then the entire site is inherently flawed. It isn’t being genuine in what it offers and is incapable of providing it.

It’s like if you had a community named “cars” but you’re only allowed to talk positively about certain manufacturers. Imagine most people either like Ford or Chevy but on the “cars” community it “just so happens” that everyone there likes Ford.

You can post about Chevy but you have to be careful about how reliable the information is. You have an article that says Chevy’s new SUV produces 500 horsepower? Well, that source isn’t reliable. In fact this Ford biased source did a study showing it only produces 400 horsepower. You think that isn’t a reliable source? This Ford biased bias checker agrees that your Chevy source is biased but our Ford source is not biased. No, we can’t just give people information and let them decide for themselves. That’s dangerous. We can only give them our rock solid Ford sources in order to protect humanity.

Did you comment that you sometimes prefer Chevy for certain things? Well, in this Ford biased community that’s not going to go over well. Now you have 1000 downvotes and 100 comments calling you an idiot. Try to defend your opinions? Too bad, you can only respond every 15 minutes. You have too many downvotes. Well, look at that, the dumb Chevy poster realized he is a moron and had nothing to say in response. Clearly the Ford posters were right again. After all, just look at all those downvotes and comments and the Chevy poster didn’t even reply.

So what do you end up with?

You get a “cars” community, a “ford” community, and a “chevy” community but you’re not allowed to talk about Chevy in cars. You can only organically talk about Chevy in the Chevy community. That is until the site administrators start getting involved and deciding that really it isn’t safe for humanity to let Chevy people talk about Chevy in the Chevy community. They’ve been posting unreliable sources in there, using bad language towards Ford posters, and so on. It’s a dangerous hate community so we’re going to shut it down. You can talk about Chevy in the cars community if you want.

Then you get biased Ford stories under the "cars" community showing up on the front page. Anyone who prefers Chevy will never have their submissions seen because it is relegated to a smaller community that algorithmically won't show up. If it somehow does get big and popular enough the admins step in and boot it or artificially step on promoting it.

Again, I don’t care about politics and you can substitute Biden for Trump and make comparisons to other social media sites. I’m simply asking if Lemmy is offering anything different with regards to this situation.

Can someone explain how it is different from the Reddit moderator and suppression rules? So far Lemmy is producing the same biased garbage I see on Reddit so I’d like to know if this is a function of Lemmy itself like it is on Reddit or if it’s just echos of Reddit that could one day go away. Is Lemmy something new or is it just for people who loved NuReddit but are mad about the API changes?

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[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And how is that any different from Reddit? If you waltzed into r/politics, you would have basically the same thing you just described.

OP, if you legitimately cared about getting a balanced view, then get a RSS reader and read news from either Associated Press and Reuters, or read news from outlets like Fox and CNBC. You can also just look for a right-leaning Fediverse instance because I can guarantee you that you can find one.

[–] whyisitalways@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not different, that's my concern. I want something different and better and fragmented instances of biased social media sites isn't it. I want a politics discussion to be diverse and varied not "politics" on the republican lemmy instance, "politics" on the democrat lemmy instance, and so on. It seems to be impossible these days for moderators or admins to promote an unbiased forum even if they themselves are biased. Everyone just kind of accepts and admits the bias and stays in their little bubble thinking this is how it should be. It didn't used to be this way.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Any chance of that happening has pretty much stopped when the internet became monetized and corporations figured out echo chambers made the most money and most user engagement. It’s also harder in the US in particular because of how the corporate owners managed to make politics into a “support your sports team” theatre.

If you want discourse, best find it in person, because I an guarantee you that it’ll be very slim pickings, if any, to find that online.

[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.ninja 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lemmy isn't a platform at all. It's a piece of forum software.

The platforms are the individual instances - lemmy.world or lemmy.ml or lemm.ee or whatever. There's well over 1,000 of them total. And they range all the way from extreme left to extreme right, and from rigidly constrained to entirely open.

And since it is the case that there are well over 1,000 instances, each of them privately owned and managed by whatever standards the owners prefer, there is no mechanism by which any particular bias can be maintained at anything above the instance level. That necessarily means that any lemmy-wide bias you might see can only be organic.

You might honestly think about that, and what it says about the ideology you're trying to pretend you're not defending.

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[–] kresten@feddit.dk 4 points 1 year ago

You're also forgetting that the internet doesn't revolve around the US. There are all kinds of nationalities on here, a mich wider range than Reddit (proportionally), and by far, the majority doesn't care what Trump has done or hasn't done.

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You will never be able to stop people having biases, I think we have learned that thus far. It is really hard to prevent no matter where you go. What Lemmy allows the individual to do is remove those constantly negative hate groups from being visible for them. Lemmy gives us options, you can block users, communities, and instances. Well that's great and all, but maybe you still want to see political content, just not negative stuff constantly.

Part of being federated is that we can have multiple politics communities of the same name on many different instances. If you have a power mod suppressing one community, you can go to another or create your own under your rules that you see fit. Some moderators and user dynamics do a really good job at removing biases as best they can for the sake of good journalism.

It is no easy feat to accomplish that, but Lemmy (and the fediverse in general) makes it possible to accomplish. You can't say that for many other social networks.

That's right. I'm not sure if anyone federates with them, but Gab runs Mastodon, which has some ActivityPub compatibility with Kbin on toots / microblogging.

Bud, a former president of the US has been indicted for 70 crimes in three different criminal cases, and is likely to be indicted with up to 8 additional crimes in a fourth case. This is the biggest set of indictments since Nixon. The notion that you would expect this not to be major news or that merely reporting on it suggests bias is mind-boggling.

It certainly leads credence to Steven Colbert’s claim, “Reality has a well-know liberal bias.”

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Is Lemmy a biased platform?

Yes, but not biased enough IMO

I'm a trans woman. On the fediverse at large, transphobia isn't tolerated. It gets shut down hard. Here on lemmy and kbin, it can go either way. Some places are happy to let transphobia slide, which means we have to deal with more hate on the day to day than we do with the rest of the fediverse.

I'd be happy to see more bias towards not indulging transphobes and their hate.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

"Bias" doesn't mean "I disagree with it". It means the speaker is being dishonest about their motives.

In the most simple sense, could Republican submissions survive

Probably not. But that has more to do with the insanity coming out of the Republican party than any sort of unfair "bias" against them. Lying down with dogs and so forth.

[–] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Because of Rule 1.

[–] Sami@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry at this point if you don't see that Trump is a harmful idiot at best then I don't know what to tell you. Also, fuck Biden too in case you think this is a US republican vs democrat thing because it's not. People here are mostly left leaning and that extends beyond US politics and their democratic party. Is that a bad thing? Possibly but prominent self identified right wingers on the internet don't really offer very compelling reasons to listen to them in all honesty.

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[–] ThankYouVeryMuch@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Server owners and admins, and communities creators and mods can set the tone of the communities they manage, of course.

If you think a car community is too ford-leaning you can look for or create another one, if it's the whole instance then subscribe to another instance cars community (I'm subscribed to the same communities from several instances, I guess it has to be pretty common), or even make an account in that other instance just in case the Chevy folk start hanging out with nazis, as they always end up doing, and the rest defederate from them.

Edit: oh! And you can block all the posts with a specific site as a source, so you can take away everything from fordnews.com and not see it anymore

[–] ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I should point out (even though I converted to a Ford guy) that it was Henry Ford who was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest civilian honor bestowed by the Third Reich. He was a rabid anti-Semite.

On that note, everyone who, as a result of Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter, is dumping their Teslas for Volkswagen EVs is supporting a company started by the Third Reich that used Nazi concentration camp slave labor.

[–] png@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, 80 years ago. Todays Volkswagen has nothing to do with the original Volkswagen project beside the name and anyone who thinks todays Volkswagen is a Nazi company or any such nonsense is an absolute moron.

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, stay out of political communities. Based on my experience in political communities. Lemmy is biased.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

Stay out of politics. Enjoy Lemmy.

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