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After mentioning them somewhere in comments, I actually bought Shokz after years of sitting curious. There are a few brands that do them, so it doesn't matter what's the brand is. I bought what I've heard of and the cheapest model I could find at that.

So, what's the trick? As I'm cycling, walking and running a lot, I needed a headphone solution to be aware of my surroundings. They don't cover ears and don't actually emmit sound - they vibrate and make your bones serve as a membrane.

The obvious minus is that in a bus or other loud setting you can't hear shit. That's by design. And, logically but somehow absurdly, by shutting your ear with a finger, you can make yourself hear it okay. I did a full circle here, returning to the old headphones isolation problem, heh.

But what impressed me more, they do feel like some kind of a cyberpunk prosthetic. You can wear them all day and even the cheapest one that promises 6hr of activity lasts days on the idle. But as you call someone or watch a vid – here they are, with a little to no latency. Honestly, I feel like if there'd be implants, that's one of the basic ones we can try first. It's hands-free device with a bonus of being more stealthy and not isolating you from the world.

As a cheapskate audiophile who stayed with cords for a long time, I can say that the sound is okay. Keeping in mind that producers can't control the skull of a wearer, they can't nail the ideal sound, but I'm impressed with how nice IDM and metal plays on them - something akin to budget Senh, AKG and Audiotechnica. And unlike cheap Sony, they don't put up low freqs, that's a plus. BUT when I shared it with others, people in body reported less effectiveness due to thickness of skin and under-dermal stuff, so it's better to test it if you aren't skinny as a skeleton.

After being so open about plus sides, I'm to talk minuses. Since the software is proprietary, it doesn't have many controls and is very weird sometimes. As I bought a model that was for internal chinese market originally, it talked to me in Chinese, and it can only be switched to another language before any pairing, so only after unpairing I could've chosen English – and the same combination of button presses when paired was reserved to calling the last called number, so I fucked up a lazy weekend morning for a friend of mine calling them 4-5 times, damn it. Ah, and it supports dual pairing with a PC and a smartphone, but as I tested it this function worked weird and I sometimes manually disconnected them. Walking&working distance from a source device is around the second or third room, that fits most office and home listening cases. I could've probably wished for it to have an option to pick lesser distance since I don't usually have even a meter between my smartphones and them.

Ah, and going back to the bus problem - the obvious downside that you want to turn them to 100% volume that you don't feel, but your ears do. After the first day when I needed to move a lot in loud contexts and thus put them on max, I had a headache, because although I didn't register the volume, my head had a first row concert experience. So if you use these, keep that in mind too.

Have you tried them, is there a topic I haven't covered? As you can tell, I'm happy with them, so I would be biased. It's just with VR stuff, even from Apple, I feel like we underlook existing tech that already serves us as expander of our life experiences and powers.

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 105 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I'm partial deaf... These let me hear music in a way I never could. I remember being in a quiet place and listened to an audio sample... Hearing an instrument on my bad side was like listening to it for the first time. Hearing in stereo is just wild when you have only heard in mono your whole life

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Beethoven had the same condition. He had a special bracket mounted to his piano he could bite on, in order to make his skull resonate, hence him being able to hear the music again.

[–] mudmaniac@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Microtia? If yes then here is a tiny fistbump.

Yeah. Hearing Piano was really new for me.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Nice writeup.

I need to replace my aged pair.

A solution to one of the bus problems, is to carry a pair of those mushy ear plugs. If you put them in, you regain isolation, without having to crank the volume and hurt your ears.

One of my gripes is the behind-the-head design. You simply can't wear them comfortably if you're reclining or laying down.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep, you are right, also in autumn and winter both the high collar of a jacket and the hat touch it. In a place with a various weather it's harder to forget they are on.

With Shokz especially, it could've been undone if the cord was soft, like in many connected headphones. But for some reason they did it hard bending, although heaphones sit without problems by themselves, even when doing sports. For something like Miami or Krasnodar it's no problem, but for my region of Russia with crazy overnight tilts of weather and states with the same instability, it can be a problem.

[–] TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The band needs to be a flexible metal so that enough pressure is applied to the ear pads. If they were floppy, you wouldn't hear them very well.

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 10 points 7 months ago

I just tilt them up, wear them like normal headphones.

Bone conduction doesn't care what position or where exactly the transducer is. The sound won't be exactly as intended but it works.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Tilt them up so the band is on the crown of your head instead across the top of your neck. That's what I do when I'm laying down or wearing a stocking cap.

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My short take is the audio quality is mediocre for music or anything artistic, but using the Shokz OpenComm for work, I’ll never go back. Best work headset I’ve ever used. I can wear it all day and sometimes almost forget to take it off at the end of the day.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That... Looks good. How is the microphone quality? How long does it last?

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I answred before, but with my love for long form podcasts and rare calls, I charge it once for two days of work.

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[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I honestly couldn’t say firsthand how the mic sounds, but I loaned it to a colleague and she said people noted how well they could hear her. She said she was going to get one herself even though she hadn’t quite figured out how to get it to work with her hair.

Battery life is good I think. I can’t remember exactly, and mileage varies, but while I wouldn’t bet my life on it lasting through eight hours straight of constant calls, it’s probably an all-day battery for the vast majority of people’s use cases.

My only real complaints are that the buttons are kind of confusing and poorly programmed (volume up/power is the forward of the two buttons on the bottom of the right arm behind your ear), and the charging cable is a weird proprietary magnetic thing.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I feel like if there'd be implants, that's one of the basic ones we can try first.

You've essentially described cochlear implants with Bluetooth.

[–] dnu@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 7 months ago

Do you mean BAHA (bone anchored hearing aids). In this ,you still rely on amplification by means of a piece that's anchored either magnetically or surgically to your skull.

Cochlear implants function completely differently in that there's effectively a new pathway to the cochlea (it bypasses the damaged parts and goes straight to the inner ear structure). You have to learn how to hear in this new way.

[–] 7heo@lemmy.ml 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you very much for this post. I'm glad someone did the effort of getting some of those and presenting them from the PoV of a first time experience. I was curious.

However, I'm not sure what you meant with:

BUT when I shared it with others, people in body reported less effectiveness due to thickness of skin and under-dermal stuff, so it's better to test it if you aren't skinny as a skeleton.

At first it sounds like you say that overweight people have trouble using them (which is logical, the device needs to touch the bones), but then you go on saying that it doesn't work for underweight people? I'm confused. Could you please elaborate a little? Thanks 🙂

[–] Hazmatastic@lemm.ee 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think they were saying that if you're not super skinny, you ought to test them to make sure they work for you before buying them. Super skinny people can safely assume they would have good enough conductivity and could buy without testing with more confidence.

Not my opinion, never tested these.

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[–] s3rvant@lemmy.ml 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

We tested some nicer ones for use in an industrial environment where hearing protection was required. They were great and let workers hear clearly while still being able to use their preferred PPE.

[–] GiantBalls@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Any models stand out above the rest?

[–] s3rvant@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

The ones we tested were these: https://a.co/d/f4FADbm

Unfortunately the project they were originally for was cancelled fairly quickly so we didn't test any others

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The Trekz Titanium (maybe that is the correct spelling) won me over and I want all my headphones to be like that, forever. Sadly, not all boners (as we call them in the biz) are made the same, and my newer Open Run Pro (or whatever) are disappointing boners by comparison.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Upvoted for boners

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have the titanium and love them. They are perfectly adequate for listening to audiobooks on runs. On the road bike it can get drowned out by wind noise so hard to hear spoken word but music is OK.

They really shine when doing construction. I can use earplugs and the sound is way better with them in.

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[–] 667@lemmy.radio 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I went into my pair of bone conducting headphones (I have Shokz) understanding their purpose, namely that they are not for an audiophile level sound experience; they are for being able to be active and hear music or audiobooks while maintaining situational awareness.

Once I discovered I could use mine in the shower, I was hooked.

Can’t do that with my Bose.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love my shockz. Literally been daily driving a pair for 4 years now. Even bought the new version even though my old ones are fine. So now I have two pairs. Of the most expensive ones

They do really last forever. Also nice in an office setting, allowing me to listen to stuff while being able to communicate with the people around me and I think people feel like I'm more approachable than with something in my ear

Might not be for everyone but it's great

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[–] jagoan@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Can others hear whatever’s playing? Like if I’m wearing it on the bus or in library, can others hear my music?

I’ve never used one, but I’ve read reviews on the cheaper ones, they said it’s just speakers in front of your ears.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They use vibrations to drive your skull as a membrane to make a sound. If you turn them on 100% their own metal pieces would do the sound, but it's still be silent as 10% volume on your smartphone.

As you can tell by my nickname, I'm from Russia and I tested it through and through, for there were sanctions against those that just scrolled anti-russian memes in a public transport. I watch oppositional figures every time I commute to and from work, so I guess it's okay.

It's safe privacy-wise. But as I said, you need to control the volume, because the max volume can exhaust your brain even if you don't really hear it. But everything lesser than 70% isn't heard by others even in silence.

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[–] WereCat@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I use these at work where I have to use ear plugs. I hate in-ear headphones and these work perfect for my niche. Also get 2 workdays worth of battery life from these.

What I find a great bonus is that the mic on them does not pick any of the 80dB+ noise around me when I'm making calls. Also comfortable to the point that I sometimes forget I even wear them.

Also a physical button for pause/play so I don't have to take off my gloves.

I find the default EQ quite bad with earplugs so I just use the parametric Wavelet EQ SW on my Android phone with quick preset for my other Sony WH1000XM3... Which sounds great on these as well especially for voices/vocals as I tend to listen to audio books.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Recently made a thread asking about these, lots of good info in the comments if anyone's interested:

https://lemmy.world/post/13998736

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 12 points 7 months ago

I'm on my third and fourth pair over what, 7.o years? Doesn't work for music I don't know the bass lines for. Absolutely brilliant for podcasts. And don't cheap out, buy the top of the line ones.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I've had several pairs of aftershokz, almost all of them Bluetooth. Most recently I was gifted a pair of openrun pro. Shokz has made significant improvement since the first generation. I would put their modern versions on par with fairly average earbuds, with a notable bass drop off as the most significant audio fidelity issue.

They're massively convenient. They sound rather good apart from the missing low end, and they're easy to make into an all day wear.

I've worn headsets on top of my trekz, glasses, even headphones (don't ask). They're not the most comfortable when you have stuff on top of them, pushing them into your skull, but that's expected.

Most people don't notice I'm wearing them.

Honestly, 10/10 for convenience.

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I've been giving these more and more of a thought lately. I like the idea that you can just leave them on and not worry about taking them out to hear things.

Only question. Can people near you hear them at all? Like on a plane?

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

In a quiet setting, with the headphones raised to 70-100% volume, people within 1-2m will be able to make out what you are listening too.

(This is with Aeropex from Aftershockz/AKA Shockz)

Keep in mind, at 100% volume they buzz and tickle on your skin, so I never have them set to 100% ever.

60-70% is clear enough for enjoyable listening.

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

A note about the Aeropex (and possible other Aftershockz/Shockz models) is that the volume-adjust-beep and bluetooth-connect-voice is very loud and cannot be adjusted.

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[–] KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Loved mine for cycling, podcasts and general use until the ear piece speaker snapped off.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I bought the Shokz opencomm 2 recently and returned them. I wanted a loose fitting headset for home office that didn't look like I was wearing winter ear muffs.

They really look good. They sound okay. The mic is very good.

My bosses voice made them tickle. Even at the lowest volume everything he said was uncomfortable. They tickle at high volume anyway but having a call with this guy multiple times a day started to get annoying.

I have a jabra evolve2 55 now. Interior, but no tickle

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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Been using these for a while for cycling. I would say that the sound quality is not exactly great and that the pitch will change depending on where exactly they're sitting. Personally I mostly use them to listen to podcasts so that doesn't matter much to me. The Shokz design looping around the back of your head can also be awkward if you're trying to wear them with a winter hat. Overall I recommend them for people who need a open ear solution. They're also good just for daily life in a city where you want to listen to something while walking around, but want to maintain some level of awareness so you don't get run over or something. Another good use case could be in an office where you want some awareness if someone walks up and tries to talk to you (I often listen to white noise when I'm trying to focus).

On the other hand if you want something for music or you want something isolating, these aren't the right product IMO.

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[–] gentooer@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

but I’m impressed with how nice IDM and metal plays on them

Industrial Doom Metal?

Ire-inducing Depeche Mode?

Irish Derpy Music?

Instructional Defense Material?

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Intelligent Dance Music. You know, the tag that got stuck with Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher and others, although they collectively hate it. I love their weird experiments.

Like this one: https://youtu.be/GlhV-OKHecI?si=LM7dA3P0cVrO-k9x But be aware, there's a lot of bright flashes and both sound and video can cause a headache.

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[–] Oaksey@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I bought a pair and they are ok but for them to be a reasonable volume on my head, they physically buzz too much for my liking and it gets annoying. I just use regular headphones again now. If I am in a situation where I regularly have to talk to others while wanting to listen to something, I might pull them out of the draw again.

[–] Mexigore@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I also have the same headphones and they are great I just have two complaints listening at loud volumes, which I don't do often would physically hurt my bones. And also phones calls also hurt my bones.

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[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

A bit late to the game, but for what it's worth, my experience with the Shockz. I run about 6-7 hours per week, and listen exclusively to audiobooks. As a result, I can't comment on the sound quality, but I do have some other observations.

Pros:

  • Waterproof. I've been running for more than a decade before I got the Shockz, and no earphones lasted more than 6 months in the local rain. No such issue with these headphones.
  • Not falling off. By their design, they would not fall off, unlike any and all earbuds I ever tried. I may have weird ears in this regard, but I had to learn to run with a hat or headband to keep earbuds in place.
  • Spatial awareness. Excellent at keeping me aware of my surroundings.
  • Good battery life. A single charge lasts me through the week, and a quick partial emergency charge can carry me over the next 2-hour run. In addition, the "battery low" status actually works well. With any other brand of earbuds, from Mpow to Anker, once I got the "battery low" warning, I had about 20 minutes of charge left. So, going for a long run at "battery medium" was always a gamble. With the Shockz, I never ran out of charge when I started at "battery medium", even on my long runs.

Cons:

  • Not too comfortable. I have a big head, and even so the band behind my head is standing off enough that I can't wear my hat over it. So, in winter it's earbuds, held in place and waterproofed by my hat.
  • A bit too quiet. Everything, including the persistent wind here, is interfering with the sound. So, for audiobooks, I have to process them in mp3gain to around 95 dB, and then play them at max. This, however, may be more related to my mp3 player; I didn't do an analysis of it yet.
  • The controls are weird. My sense of touch is not too good, so pressing the controls while the Shockz are on my head is a futile exercise. I just can't feel the buttons properly, so I have to take off the headphones and see which button I'm pushing.

I didn't test them with music or calls yet (for the latter, I'd have to pair them to my phone), so can't comment on those features.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I wear them at work because normally you are only allowed to wear one ear bud to keep awareness but I am deaf in one ear. The clean room suits actually help improve the sound (I think they vibrate a little). I also use them at my desk so people can't sneak up on me.

At home I use them for phone calls because I don't sound weird to me unlike regular headphones.

[–] Jonnynny@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

I've been using my Shokz OpenRun headset almost everyday for the past 6 months and I love them for lots of things but they dont replace earbuds/headphones completely.

I work in a machine shop and it's important to be able to hear machines and things happening around you. Most shops don't allow earbuds or headphones for that reason. Our machines aren't too loud so it doesn't drown out the sound but these definitely won't work in a loud environment unless you wear earplugs but then that defeats the purpose.

Great for audiobooks, podcasts, and music that doesn't have a lot of bass. I mostly listen to punk and metal and it's fine for that. I can even listen to hip-hop and not expect some kicking bass.

I tried to use them for PC gaming and they just crackled during explosions and could not handle that. So I don't use it for gaming.

Having hands free conversations with people is definitely a plus. I did some testing with my wife and she could not tell a difference in volume or on quality between using the headset and talking regularly on the phone.

Battery life and comfort are great. Sometimes I forget I'm wearing them if they are just idling on my head. With mixed use on and off all day, the charge lasts several days for me. If I was to listen to something constantly, I think I'd get more life out of a charge than I have waking hours in the day.

One thing that bothered me at first is at the highest volume, I can feel a tickle on the skin where it rests. I usually only have them up when that much when ambient noise is a bit high and then I dont notice it as much. But I'm also used to it now so it's not as bad.

Be careful with cheap sets. My wife got a cheap pair on Amazon with "good ratings" and it was awful. It was basically earbud style speaker/drivers that were up against your skin and it was terrible.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I got them so I could listen to audio books without actually ignoring my kid, who was 3 at the time. Couldn't not hear her world if she decided to get up to something. 10/10 for that.

I also loved them being hidden under my hair. Its rude to have headphones in a conversation, but this isn't rude, with them silent I can hear as well as without headphones.

Aa for dual-pairing, I had your same issue with shokz, but I found out it was Windows with the issue. Shokz switches based on who it hears playing audio and Windows likes to keep "playing" audio at 0 volume instead of properly not sending audio. It's an issue that's pretty irrelevant for most things, but it means Shokz never feels that there's only one audio source at a time, after its connected to a windows computer once. They worked fine when I paired them to my android phone and an iPad to test things.

[–] donio@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I've been using various Aftershokz/Shokz models for many years and well over a thousand hours. They are a great option for speech-focused contents like podcasts, audiobooks and that's what I use them for. I almost never use them for music, the lack of bass (even with earplugs) just doesn't do it for me. But I don't find any earbuds satisfactory for music either so maybe I am more picky than most.

I agree with OP about the controls. They are workable but could be much better even considering the limited inputs. I particularly hate the choice of triple-click for backwards-seek and I mess up the timing half the time. Another pet-peeve is the loud beep on play/pause that cannot be turned off. Using the phone/computer controls instead of the on-device ones avoid these issues.

As far as models I originally got the Aeropex and later on "downgraded" to the OpenMove. The audio quality is comparable between the two, the only thing you are missing with the lower end model is comfort - but that is highly subjective! I actually prefer the way the OpenMove feels.

I really wish that there was more competition in this space. The Shokz products are a bit overpriced and slow to evolve and the rest of the options I've seen seems lower quality and worse form factor. Would love to hear if anybody has found a different brand that they prefer over the Shokz models.

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