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[–] WhatsThePoint@lemmy.world 156 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

“Self made billionaires” is propaganda. No billionaire is self made. Their billions were leeched off all the workers who created their wealth.

[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago

It's also about who you know not what you know. The opportunity to get wealthy is only given to those the older wealth approve of. All the biggest names in tech built their monopolies on VC dollars.

[–] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would just like to hear the opinions of the two dumb cunts who downvoted this. Do they think billionaires are genius visionaries who saved us plebs from lives of mundane squalor?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Where can you see upvote/downvote count?

[–] RarePossum@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

It usually depends on what app you're using. Desktop and a couple apps display it by default or when hovered. Others might not show it at all because they're built off reddit apps which doesn't show it separated

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 74 points 7 months ago

You don't fucking say.

It's almost like switching from monarchism and aristocracy to oligarchism and capitalism didn't really change much of anything. I'm very shocked.

[–] RemoveEgoDivineFreedom@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

I've been sharpening all my knives

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago
[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 7 months ago

Finally a study on this, nice. All those "no fucking shit" comments should be thankful someone actually proved this

[–] tal@lemmy.today 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Most self-made billionaires are going to have founded a company that became very successful.

If you're gonna make a billion bucks from scratch and you start working around twenty or so, you're starting with no experience and have less than ten years to pull it off. You basically have no track record and have to convince investors that you have the chops to pull this off and then manage to multiply that investment many times over.

I'm not saying that it's impossible. It has been done. Mark Zuckerberg -- who is almost 40 now -- was a billionaire at 23, riding a major transition in tech:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg

Zuckerberg briefly attended Harvard University, where he launched Facebook in February 2004 with his roommates Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes. Originally launched in only select college campuses, the site expanded rapidly and eventually beyond colleges, reaching one billion users in 2012. Zuckerberg took the company public in May 2012 with majority shares. In 2007, at age 23, he was the world's youngest self-made billionaire at the time. He has since used his funds to organize multiple philanthropic endeavors, including the establishment of the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative.

Business-to-consumer social media companies like that had a huge incentive to be large, benefited from network effect, so there was a major advantage to starting quickly. You didn't require much capital to get started. The technology was new, and low-hanging fruit hadn't been picked, and new graduates were among the most-familiar with the technology.

...but it's only going to happen under pretty exceptional circumstances.

I'm not sure that I'd call that terribly surprising or alarming. I mean, you could probably graph the number of under-30 self-made billionaires -- in inflation-adjusted terms -- by decade, and I'd bet that it's pretty historically rare, because that particular combination of circumstances aren't likely to show up all the time.

If we can find some kind of new, extraordinarily-important technology that in a very short period of time expands collossally in uptake, and where starting out in the industry has relatively-low capital requirements, my guess is that we could do it again. Zuckerberg did it with the Internet. Maybe AI or something like that could be the next area.

EDIT: And if you wanted to do it over the last ten years, you needed to do it over the COVID pandemic and a major war in Europe, which spanned a pretty considerable chunk of that period of time. Now, okay, yes, adversity means upset and can bring its own opportunities. Maybe you can meet a need that people have in either of those areas. But generally, neither were very good for economic activity.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

'ol Zucky took a $100,000 loan from his father to found Facebook. Much self made, such from scratch.

[–] DaleGribble88@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago

There is absolutely truth to the saying "The best way to make a million dollars is to first spend 2 million dollars." However, I think Zuckerberg is an exception more than a rule. That is, the difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is about a billion dollars.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's still very impressive ngl, despite my sheer disgust towards him and Facebook.

100,000 to 1,000,000,000 is a massive jump.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

Easy to make risky moves when you know that no matter what you won't end up destitute

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 17 points 7 months ago

No, most new billionaires are hedge fund/private equity leeches that just suck money out of the economy.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Not a fan of him by any means, but I believe the Zucc managed to become a billionaire at 23 without inheriting all or most of it like a bunch of these new young billionaires.

Still built his wealth off the back of others like any other billionaire, but I believe he's one of the more "self made" ones. Still couldn't have done it without family connections and risk-free loans most of us couldn't get, though.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Didn't he go to Harvard? Its no like he started on the struggle bus like the majority of people.

[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 7 months ago

He also went to Philips Exeter Academy beforehand.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, most definitely.

I meant that he actually had to work for what he made, rather than getting it as an inheritance, but he still had insanely favorable circumstances to start with.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

No one ever works their way to a billion dollars, even with a favorable start, they steal other people's work to do it, but other than that, yeah, he didn't inherit a billion dollars like everyone else. Which is why this list is about billionaires currently under 30.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I still think it takes more effort to coordinate the theft of others work etc to become a billionaire compared to simply inherently a billionaire dollars. But this doesn't mean I morally value either.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 7 months ago

Beats Notch. Notch would have been 34 when Microsoft bought Minecraft from him for MAX_UINT32 dollars. And other than expressing the wrong political views (but not especially throwing money at politics, mostly just tweets) he's one of the less evil billionaires.

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Is this supposed to be surprising?

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

I wonder how many poor people under 30 had their formerly middle class parents homes bought by the rich.

There used to be a saying "never sell the family farm". I suspect this came from a similar period of massive transfer of wealth to the rich.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

They can cough it up or choke on the noose.